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Myocarditis Cases Reported After mRNA-Based Covid-19 Vaccination

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Re: Myocarditis Cases Reported After mRNA-Based Covid-19 Vaccination

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Post by gkfasdfasdf »

marcinostefano wrote: post #11
assbuttbuttass wrote: post #2

It's important to mention that catching COVID also causes myocarditis https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7035e5.htm Edit: this article says out of 192 405 448 people, 1626 had myocarditis, or about 0.0008%. In contrast, the CDC estimates COVID has a 0.146% chance to give you myocarditis.

It's not one or the other any more, as You can easily catch symptomatic Covid being fully vaccinated, question is; does risk multiply, sum or maybe the vaccine somehow protects against it.

Sure there are breakthrough cases, but if you are unvaccinated the chances of catching covid are still much higher. And if you get myocarditis with the vaccine (which is rare) you will get it much worse with covid.

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Post by NikolaeVarius »

mgamache wrote: post #10
assbuttbuttass wrote: post #2

It's important to mention that catching COVID also causes myocarditis https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7035e5.htm Edit: this article says out of 192 405 448 people, 1626 had myocarditis, or about 0.0008%. In contrast, the CDC estimates COVID has a 0.146% chance to give you myocarditis.

It's also true that VAERS may be underreporting cases.

RAW VAERS data is a POS source of data. Plenty of Anti-Vaxxers submit false data to it and even non Anti-Vaxxers submit symptoms that correspond to anything within a month of taking the shot.

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Post by yucky »

tchalla wrote: post #4

> To be clear: whoever gets heart inflammation from Moderna would’ve almost certainly got it worse from Covid. The issue arises from the spike protein itself. That’s why we don’t see myocarditis from non-MRNA vaccines like Astra Zeneca. https://twitter.com/joshzepps/status/1486213480823017472?s=2... Edit : Consider readied the entire Twitter thread. https://www.abc.net.au/radio/sydney/programs/afternoons/myoc... > It…

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the FDA still has not approved Moderna beyond emergency use, due to the myocarditis issues. This, in addition to a number of EU countries that have now stopped giving Moderna to males under 30 for the same reason.

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Post by legitster »

tchalla wrote: post #4

> To be clear: whoever gets heart inflammation from Moderna would’ve almost certainly got it worse from Covid. The issue arises from the spike protein itself. That’s why we don’t see myocarditis from non-MRNA vaccines like Astra Zeneca. https://twitter.com/joshzepps/status/1486213480823017472?s=2... Edit : Consider readied the entire Twitter thread. https://www.abc.net.au/radio/sydney/programs/afternoons/myoc... > It…

We're likely not seeing myocarditis in AZ shots because it's a very long tail event and the AZ represent an order of magnitude smaller sample size.

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Post by mgamache »

pfisherman wrote: post #39
mgamache wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's also true that VAERS may be underreporting cases.

VAERS is only one data source and not a particularly good one. We have vaccination records linked to medical histories in electronic health record systems and insurance claims databases.

Right, it sucks, but EMR systems are private and not accessible for research by public entities.

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Post by draw_down »

JohnHaugeland wrote: post #27
draw_down wrote: post #5

> This risk should be considered in the context of the benefits of COVID-19 vaccination. Whoa now, easy on the antivaxxer rhetoric!

That's not an antivax thing to say, or rhetoric at all. They're saying "sure, seat belts occasionally break ribs, but consider that in the context of all the windshields you didn't get thrown through"

No post body was provided.

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Post by newbamboo »

gameswithgo wrote: post #36
alanfranz wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> easily I'd remove that word. It's more uncommon to get symptomatic covid in vaccinated vs unvaccinated. We still need to investigate whether myocarditis risks exceeds vaccine benefits in very young people.

With omicron it is not uncommon. Family of 4, all of us vaccinated to the max, we all got it. Also my brother, many neighbors.

I don’t know any unvaccinated people who have gotten omicron. Every single one has been vaccinated, most have been fully boosted.

People need to understand COVID is not one thing. Delta was very different from alpha, omicron wildly different from Delta, etc… They all have spike proteins sure, but so does the vaxxx.

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Post by kaczordon »

alanfranz wrote: post #28
marcinostefano wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not one or the other any more, as You can easily catch symptomatic Covid being fully vaccinated, question is; does risk multiply, sum or maybe the vaccine somehow protects against it.

> easily I'd remove that word. It's more uncommon to get symptomatic covid in vaccinated vs unvaccinated. We still need to investigate whether myocarditis risks exceeds vaccine benefits in very young people.

No reason to remove that word. Here are data for 2 doses of mRNA for effectiveness against Omicron infection. Follow the red line from figure 1 on page 27 of the PDF. Over time, it is 0%.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.01.07.22268919v...

Re: Myocarditis Cases Reported After mRNA-Based Covid-19 Vaccination

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Post by assbuttbuttass »

wusher wrote: post #16
assbuttbuttass wrote: post #2

It's important to mention that catching COVID also causes myocarditis https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7035e5.htm Edit: this article says out of 192 405 448 people, 1626 had myocarditis, or about 0.0008%. In contrast, the CDC estimates COVID has a 0.146% chance to give you myocarditis.

I don't have the numbers to answer this but which groups are getting myocarditis also matters. If covid causes myocarditis in 1 out of 100 people in an age group prone to myocarditis, but mRNA causes myocarditis in 15 out of 1000 people in an age group that doesn't get myocarditis, then then we should be very concerned about the mRNA myocarditis and adjust our policies accordingly. Again, I made up those numbers and…

I don't disagree with that nuance, I was just trying to get ahead of the inevitable anti-vaccine propagandists that will use this study out of context for their own narrative.
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