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Myocarditis Cases Reported After mRNA-Based Covid-19 Vaccination

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Re: Myocarditis Cases Reported After mRNA-Based Covid-19 Vaccination

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Post by alfor »

mgamache wrote: post #10
assbuttbuttass wrote: post #2

It's important to mention that catching COVID also causes myocarditis https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7035e5.htm Edit: this article says out of 192 405 448 people, 1626 had myocarditis, or about 0.0008%. In contrast, the CDC estimates COVID has a 0.146% chance to give you myocarditis.

It's also true that VAERS may be underreporting cases.

I hear that a factor of a 100X is common. The system is made so that the least amount of effect are reported.

Personally I know someone who had a heart attack 3 day after second dose (60yo female) The doctor dismissed the possibility of a causation by the vaccine, this case is not reported even if the person almost died.

Is covid still worse than the vaccine with Omicron, I don’t know, probable. But I know that most side effect are not reported.

A crazy thing is that the Myocardis rate can be reduce 3X by a 2 second procedure at vaccination (verifying that the injection is not in a vein)

Re: Myocarditis Cases Reported After mRNA-Based Covid-19 Vaccination

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Post by peteradio »

alanfranz wrote: post #28
marcinostefano wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not one or the other any more, as You can easily catch symptomatic Covid being fully vaccinated, question is; does risk multiply, sum or maybe the vaccine somehow protects against it.

> easily I'd remove that word. It's more uncommon to get symptomatic covid in vaccinated vs unvaccinated. We still need to investigate whether myocarditis risks exceeds vaccine benefits in very young people.

> vaccinated vs unvaccinated.

Unvaccinated is two groups that are wildly different:

Those who've had Covid and those who haven't. Depending on where you are, unvaccinated may be majority share recovered, in which case this is an incorrect statement:

> It's more uncommon to get symptomatic covid in vaccinated vs unvaccinated.

Re: Myocarditis Cases Reported After mRNA-Based Covid-19 Vaccination

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Post by [deleted] »

JohnHaugeland wrote: post #27
draw_down wrote: post #5

> This risk should be considered in the context of the benefits of COVID-19 vaccination. Whoa now, easy on the antivaxxer rhetoric!

That's not an antivax thing to say, or rhetoric at all. They're saying "sure, seat belts occasionally break ribs, but consider that in the context of all the windshields you didn't get thrown through"

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Re: Myocarditis Cases Reported After mRNA-Based Covid-19 Vaccination

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Post by castrodd »

JohnHaugeland wrote: post #27
draw_down wrote: post #5

> This risk should be considered in the context of the benefits of COVID-19 vaccination. Whoa now, easy on the antivaxxer rhetoric!

That's not an antivax thing to say, or rhetoric at all. They're saying "sure, seat belts occasionally break ribs, but consider that in the context of all the windshields you didn't get thrown through"

I think he was using a rhetorical device called sarcasm.

Re: Myocarditis Cases Reported After mRNA-Based Covid-19 Vaccination

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Post by mizzack »

tchalla wrote: post #4

> To be clear: whoever gets heart inflammation from Moderna would’ve almost certainly got it worse from Covid. The issue arises from the spike protein itself. That’s why we don’t see myocarditis from non-MRNA vaccines like Astra Zeneca. https://twitter.com/joshzepps/status/1486213480823017472?s=2... Edit : Consider readied the entire Twitter thread. https://www.abc.net.au/radio/sydney/programs/afternoons/myoc... > It…

> The issue arises from the spike protein itself. That’s why we don’t see myocarditis from non-MRNA vaccines like Astra Zeneca.

AZ also uses spike, so he's undermining his own argument.

Of course the spike is pathogenic. In this case, though, it could be something else like the mRNA strands themselves or the structure of the lipid envelope causing inflammation. There isn't enough evidence either way for this journalist to confidently assert a single cause.

Re: Myocarditis Cases Reported After mRNA-Based Covid-19 Vaccination

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Post by gameswithgo »

alanfranz wrote: post #28
marcinostefano wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not one or the other any more, as You can easily catch symptomatic Covid being fully vaccinated, question is; does risk multiply, sum or maybe the vaccine somehow protects against it.

> easily I'd remove that word. It's more uncommon to get symptomatic covid in vaccinated vs unvaccinated. We still need to investigate whether myocarditis risks exceeds vaccine benefits in very young people.

With omicron it is not uncommon. Family of 4, all of us vaccinated to the max, we all got it. Also my brother, many neighbors.

Re: Myocarditis Cases Reported After mRNA-Based Covid-19 Vaccination

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Post by JohnHaugeland »

castrodd wrote: post #34
JohnHaugeland wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not an antivax thing to say, or rhetoric at all. They're saying "sure, seat belts occasionally break ribs, but consider that in the context of all the windshields you didn't get thrown through"

I think he was using a rhetorical device called sarcasm.

Sarcasm is not a rhetorical device, and I don't believe anyone was trying to hurt feelings.

If you feel the need to make a joke like that, which is unfunny and makes you look like you don't understand things, you should expect some inbound explanations.

Re: Myocarditis Cases Reported After mRNA-Based Covid-19 Vaccination

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Post by pfisherman »

mgamache wrote: post #10
assbuttbuttass wrote: post #2

It's important to mention that catching COVID also causes myocarditis https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7035e5.htm Edit: this article says out of 192 405 448 people, 1626 had myocarditis, or about 0.0008%. In contrast, the CDC estimates COVID has a 0.146% chance to give you myocarditis.

It's also true that VAERS may be underreporting cases.

VAERS is only one data source and not a particularly good one. We have vaccination records linked to medical histories in electronic health record systems and insurance claims databases.

Re: Myocarditis Cases Reported After mRNA-Based Covid-19 Vaccination

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Post by peteradio »

gkfasdfasdf wrote: post #15

Great twitter thread on this subject [0]: "Data out of Israel ... suggests that vaccine-induced myocarditis is caused by the spike protein. In that case, Covid would cause the same condition in the same person -- but more severely, attached to a fully-fledged living virus. To be clear: whoever gets heart inflammation from Moderna would’ve almost certainly got it worse from Covid. The issue arises from the spike prote…

How much of the spike proteins from virus are free floating after being injected near capillaries? Spike is supposed to be attached to the virus and break off on entry into cell. It doesn't seem like they are apples to apples in how you'd expect to see them in the body. It doesn't seem like a very rigorous argument at least.
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