Myocarditis Cases Reported After mRNA-Based Covid-19 Vaccination

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Post by drocer88 » Thu, Jan 27, 2022, 3:13 PM UTC

Myocarditis Cases Reported After mRNA-Based Covid-19 Vaccination
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Post by assbuttbuttass » Thu, Jan 27, 2022, 3:18 PM UTC

It's important to mention that catching COVID also causes myocarditis https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7035e5.htm

Edit: this article says out of 192 405 448 people, 1626 had myocarditis, or about 0.0008%.

In contrast, the CDC estimates COVID has a 0.146% chance to give you myocarditis.

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, Jan 27, 2022, 3:19 PM UTC

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Post by tchalla » Thu, Jan 27, 2022, 3:20 PM UTC

> To be clear: whoever gets heart inflammation from Moderna would’ve almost certainly got it worse from Covid. The issue arises from the spike protein itself. That’s why we don’t see myocarditis from non-MRNA vaccines like Astra Zeneca.

https://twitter.com/joshzepps/status/1486213480823017472?s=2...

Edit : Consider readied the entire Twitter thread.

https://www.abc.net.au/radio/sydney/programs/afternoons/myoc...

> It's hard to sift through the mass of information and misinformation that exists about COVID-19. Recently there’s been increased focus on myocarditis and whether COVID-19 vaccines increase the risk of this condition and, if so, is that risk greater or less than the risk if you contract COVID.

> To clarify exactly what the situation is Josh Szeps spoke to an expert, Associate Professor Raj Puranik who’s a consultant cardiologist with the Royal Prince Alfred Hospital in Camperdown and board member and clinical practice advisor with the Cardiac Society of Australia and New Zealand.

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Post by draw_down » Thu, Jan 27, 2022, 3:21 PM UTC

> This risk should be considered in the context of the benefits of COVID-19 vaccination.

Whoa now, easy on the antivaxxer rhetoric!

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Post by nicoburns » Thu, Jan 27, 2022, 3:23 PM UTC

tchalla wrote: post #4

> To be clear: whoever gets heart inflammation from Moderna would’ve almost certainly got it worse from Covid. The issue arises from the spike protein itself. That’s why we don’t see myocarditis from non-MRNA vaccines like Astra Zeneca. https://twitter.com/joshzepps/status/1486213480823017472?s=2... Edit : Consider readied the entire Twitter thread. https://www.abc.net.au/radio/sydney/programs/afternoons/myoc... > It…

> That’s why we don’t see myocarditis from non-MRNA vaccines like Astra Zeneca.

Does the AstraZeneca vaccine not include the spike protein? I thought it included the whole virus including the spike protein.

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Post by goalieca » Thu, Jan 27, 2022, 3:23 PM UTC

tchalla wrote: post #4

> To be clear: whoever gets heart inflammation from Moderna would’ve almost certainly got it worse from Covid. The issue arises from the spike protein itself. That’s why we don’t see myocarditis from non-MRNA vaccines like Astra Zeneca. https://twitter.com/joshzepps/status/1486213480823017472?s=2... Edit : Consider readied the entire Twitter thread. https://www.abc.net.au/radio/sydney/programs/afternoons/myoc... > It…

Well his blue check says he’s a journalist. I do wonder if the delivery is different. Wild covid is caught in the respiratory tract while vaccine is injected in the muscle. Any medically savvy people can comment on this pseudoscientific drivel?

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Post by mattzito » Thu, Jan 27, 2022, 3:23 PM UTC

tchalla wrote: post #4

> To be clear: whoever gets heart inflammation from Moderna would’ve almost certainly got it worse from Covid. The issue arises from the spike protein itself. That’s why we don’t see myocarditis from non-MRNA vaccines like Astra Zeneca. https://twitter.com/joshzepps/status/1486213480823017472?s=2... Edit : Consider readied the entire Twitter thread. https://www.abc.net.au/radio/sydney/programs/afternoons/myoc... > It…

I'm confused by this - the AZ vaccine also expresses the spike protein, just in a different delivery mechanism, right? That was my understanding when I got the AZ vaccine in a trial.

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Post by cloutchaser » Thu, Jan 27, 2022, 3:25 PM UTC

nicoburns wrote: post #6

tchalla wrote: post #4

> To be clear: whoever gets heart inflammation from Moderna would’ve almost certainly got it worse from Covid. The issue arises from the spike protein itself. That’s why we don’t see myocarditis from non-MRNA vaccines like Astra Zeneca. https://twitter.com/joshzepps/status/1486213480823017472?s=2... Edit : Consider readied the entire Twitter thread. https://www.abc.net.au/radio/sydney/programs/afternoons/myoc... > It…

> That’s why we don’t see myocarditis from non-MRNA vaccines like Astra Zeneca. Does the AstraZeneca vaccine not include the spike protein? I thought it included the whole virus including the spike protein.

It should also produce the spike protein I believe, it's just that the triggers for cells to produce it are within an adenovirus, not mrna inside lipids.

So I'm not sure what this guy is on about.

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Post by mgamache » Thu, Jan 27, 2022, 3:26 PM UTC

assbuttbuttass wrote: post #2

It's important to mention that catching COVID also causes myocarditis https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7035e5.htm Edit: this article says out of 192 405 448 people, 1626 had myocarditis, or about 0.0008%. In contrast, the CDC estimates COVID has a 0.146% chance to give you myocarditis.

It's also true that VAERS may be underreporting cases.