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Post by spacechild1 »

dncornholio wrote: post #403
spacechild1 wrote: post #366

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> it's OK to be half naked in front of kids? Yes, it's totally ok. What's the problem? For someone from Central Europe, this dicussion seems very bizarre. Go to a random lake in Germany or Austria and you will see women sun bathing topless. I mean, kids literally see boobs from the first day they are born. I am really sick of this puritanical BS!

There's a place, there's a time. I won't go half naked to work. I do go half naked to the beach.

I was specifically referring to the following:

> it's OK to be half naked in front of kids?"

To me this reads like you are saying that being half naked in front of kids is somehow problematic per se and should be avoided. Maybe this was a misunderstanding.

Either way, I don't really understand why you brought up the "kids" topic in the first place.

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Post by junon »

Animats wrote: post #155

Naomi Wu seems to upset a lot of people. She makes things, and was accused by the publisher of "Make" magazine of being a fake, with some guy doing the actual work. She replied by posting long, detailed videos of her making stuff. An hour of cutting aluminum extrusions with a chop saw and putting together a frame. Soldering PC boards. Eventually, the guy apologized. One of the useful things she's done is to put up lo…

Great summary. She's also one of the only people to help create more parts for someone living with an iron lung[0]. Unlike a lot of people, she seems to actually 'give a shit' about things happening in the world.

Her "skimpy outfits" are part of lesbian culture. One of the lesbian archetypes she enjoys being a part of entails her clothing choices and physique. I don't think that's any different than other cultures. Her content was never branded for children anyway, I don't understand what the issue Youtube has.

The crazy shit she's had said to her on social media makes me gobsmacked over and over again. You always hear people say they get these sorts of comments but she seems to get them a lot more, and a lot worse. It's really heartbreaking.

I've learned a lot from her, enjoy her videos, and yeah. This is just another example of how broken Youtube and Google are.

[0] https://archive.org/details/youtube-4VKZTmTP7oY

Re: Naomi Wu video demonetized on YouTube

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Post by mcphage »

oceanghost wrote: post #5

Sigh... while talented, she is constantly pushing the boundaries of taste and the YouTube TOS to gain subscribers. She pretends to be some women's rights activist when she's really just a purveyor of some weird type of titillation. Yes the algorithm is capricious, yes its arbitrary, and yes YouTube is evil. But she's clearly making a bust of herself naked. I'm sure if I put my balls on YouTube they'd be more than dem…

> Sigh... while talented, she is constantly pushing the boundaries of taste and the YouTube TOS to gain subscribers.

So, we have an article about the negative consequences of dressing like she does, and you're still here pushing the "she does this only 'cause she benefits from it"?! She really, obviously does not benefit from it.

> She pretends to be some women's rights activist when she's really just a purveyor of some weird type of titillation.

Dude, this is so beyond false it's insulting. She's an accomplished engineer. Sorry you don't like how she dresses—hell, I don't especially, either. But to ignore everything she has accomplished and act like she's a pornographer because of it? Your misogyny is appalling.

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Post by JimDabell »

Animats wrote: post #155

Naomi Wu seems to upset a lot of people. She makes things, and was accused by the publisher of "Make" magazine of being a fake, with some guy doing the actual work. She replied by posting long, detailed videos of her making stuff. An hour of cutting aluminum extrusions with a chop saw and putting together a frame. Soldering PC boards. Eventually, the guy apologized. One of the useful things she's done is to put up lo…

Don’t forget about the year she spent asking Signal to put a warning in place for Android users that have third-party keyboards. Apparently an extremely common thing in China and something that totally undermines Signal’s security without people realising.

Signal put the warning in, of course, after she got enough white men to repeat her request. Until the right people reported the problem, the only response she got was Moxie blocking her and dismissing the issue. I don’t see how that isn’t an operational vulnerability a mile wide for Signal: security problems go ignored if people from the wrong demographic report them.

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Post by macintux »

fenomas wrote: post #376
stavros wrote: post #315

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> She makes things, and was accused by the publisher of "Make" magazine of being a fake, with some guy doing the actual work. That's fucked up. Why would someone accuse anyone of being a fake, just because they didn't look a certain way? Detestable.

Years ago there was a comment here on HN, to the tune of: "when a man fronts a team he's called a leader or a CEO; when a woman does the same she often gets called a figurehead or a fake", and it's one of those things where once I heard it described I started noticing it a lot.

Sexism is so deeply embedded in culture. Yes, I understand people get annoyed by language police, but we have hundreds of years of damage to undo.

Re: Naomi Wu video demonetized on YouTube

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Post by kragen »

_kulang wrote: post #353
meheleventyone wrote: post #273

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Just shows how casually misogynist the world still is. Some of the replies here are pretty shocking

As far as I thought, that’s why she does this, her technical skills and her appearance don’t align only if you have a preconceived notion about how she should look

Yeah, IIRC on Twitter she's pointed out that it's really common for rebellious teen girls to rebel by "dressing sexy", and for women in general to be interested in fashion, and she would really like those girls and women to feel welcome in technically innovative spaces; hopefully if I've gotten that wrong she'll chime in to correct me.

Also, though, it isn't really practical for her to get her breast implants removed just because woke "feminists" at Google and NPR are uncomfortable with the sexualization of women's bodies.

Re: Naomi Wu video demonetized on YouTube

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Post by sorenjan »

pygy_ wrote: post #417
sorenjan wrote: post #393

The title ("Naomi Wu Demonetized on YouTube") makes it sound as if her whole channel is demonetized, while it's actually just one specific video of her making a nude bust of herself from cardboard. Youtube is a fickle beast, and there's plenty of examples of creators and videos getting demonetized seemingly without a good reason [0]. I would guess that this particular video got hit because she´s pushed the limits bef…

Read the whole thread, plenty of her videos are partially demonetized for having her own body (sexily, yet decently clad) the n the frame.

Yes, like I mentioned she has pushed the limits before and Youtube is well aware of her. Not saying I agree with it, but having individual videos demonetized isn't the same as having the whole channel demonetized.

Here's a video of a Youtube video getting demonetized automatically after 0 views [0], probably because of previous videos on the channel.

[0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJd7gRAVFbo

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Post by kragen »

torginus wrote: post #358
Animats wrote: post #155

Naomi Wu seems to upset a lot of people. She makes things, and was accused by the publisher of "Make" magazine of being a fake, with some guy doing the actual work. She replied by posting long, detailed videos of her making stuff. An hour of cutting aluminum extrusions with a chop saw and putting together a frame. Soldering PC boards. Eventually, the guy apologized. One of the useful things she's done is to put up lo…

Why is it a problem that she employs people to help with her work? Putting out novel and high quality videos at a constant rate is hard. Despite a lot of popular youtubers giving off the vibe of being one-person shows, most employ production assistants and editors. Besides, (old) Top Gear was one of the most beloved shows of all time, which constantly featured segments where the Clarkson-Hammond-May trio was implied…

Historically though she's done her builds herself, and she's been careful to call out the exceptions where a friend wrote some firmware for her or something. Not sure about video editing, I think she does that herself too. I don't think it's accurate to accuse her of "movie magic".

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Post by kragen »

SexyCyborg wrote: post #426
prawn wrote: post #415

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Quoting her: "I look the way I do for myself, and I don't object to any one else's polite enjoyment of that." Considering something like body dysmorphia (as an example) might help give someone benefit of doubt. I'm not going to pretend to understand exactly why someone feels that way.

>Considering something like body dysmorphia (as an example) might help give someone benefit of doubt. I'm not going to pretend to understand exactly why someone feels that way. Yes, it is something like that. But it's bullshit for me to dance around it and expect some sort of grace. I will say something.

I don't think you owe justifications for your body modifications or wardrobe to anybody: not to the police, not to the CPC, not to your parents, not to Google, and certainly not to random people on Twitter competing to see who can be the cruelest.

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Post by alexisread »

SexyCyborg wrote: post #94
post_from_work wrote: post #84

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>That statement seems incongruent with getting breast implants/plastic surgery... Yes, it does seem that way. That's on me until I'm willing to offer a more complete explanation.

I'm not 100% sure on this, but when I visited China (and my brother has said similar with Taiwan), the concept of old/existing was blurry - as an example a temple that has been completely reconstructed and doesn't include any of the original material, is still 2000 years old.

I think Terry Pratchett has a similar passage in The Fifth Elephant - this axe, over time may need a replacement head, or the handle may need some work, but it will always be the same axe that my father gave to me [paraphrased].

I guess, applied here, it's a similar thing to knowing you are male in a female body for instance. Morphology of the avatar in your head can be different to your external appearance, ie. you always had large boobs?

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