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Re: Anti-work subreddit goes private after rough Fox News interview

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Post by AnIdiotOnTheNet »

zivkovicp wrote: post #66
supperburg wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It doesn’t hide anything. If the price is too high then something is wrong. In your case it’s restraint on supply and in labor the problem is people who don’t know the value of what they have and never put any consideration into making themselves difficult to push around. They jump into precarious financial circumstances, but expensive things and pump out babies and when it comes time to negotiate they have zero leve…

Harsh words, but true. +1 The best thing for most people to realise is that "life's not fair, deal with it".

A convenient philosophy for those who gain an advantage from the unfairness.

Re: Anti-work subreddit goes private after rough Fox News interview

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Post by scotty79 »

joecot wrote: post #13
Datenstrom wrote: post #8

The personal attacks and especially acting like dog walking is some lowly profession is just disgusting. Anyone doing anything "ambitious" is only being held up by the support of many others making just as meaningful contributions. A dog walker provides a great service to a community that impacts many peoples lives by keeping their companions, which provide emotional support and boost their productivity, healthy and…

It's not so much that the problem is being a dog walker, it's that she's a dog walker who only works 20-25 hours a week and believes people should work even less . And that her response to Fox News's question about whether they were being lazy was "Laziness is a virtue". This mod made previous posts about how she literally sleeps on the job[1], so this isn't about a noble career choice, it's just about laziness. She…

I think that's the whole point that any amount of work that is obligatory to survive is too much.

Showing a person who opposes work in current mainstream culture will only end up with mixture of laughter, indignation and branding him as lazy.

It's very similar to the reaction you'd get few decades ago if you showed a black man who thinks he's people.

Evereybody in our culture was brainwashed with supposed virtues of being compelled to work. Noble struggle of providing.

All while 99% of our goods are made by machines and chemistry, with rich fully allowed to capture as much of the value produced by those machines and processes as they can.

All of that is just a modern version of feudalism. Better than any earlier system (same way feudalism was for its time) but still crap.

In the future anti-work in the style "I don't care, fu, where's my robot that covers all the work I don't freely choose to do" will be a mainstream view. And working people of today will just be a bunch of grumpy boomers lamenting that youngsters have no ethics.

I'm 42 but I know where the wind blows.

Re: Anti-work subreddit goes private after rough Fox News interview

#93

Post by was_a_dev »

The biggest issue anti-work has, is it's name.

At it's core (the defensible part) anti-work is an American labour/union movement, reacting to the exploitation of workers due to flimsy labour law (think Amazon workers).

But the term anti-work is so emotive against the movement, that is just becomes indefensible. So much that the subreddit itself is no longer a single issue movement.

Re: Anti-work subreddit goes private after rough Fox News interview

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Post by rPlayer6554 »

alexb_ wrote: post #26

The entire thing was a disaster, start to finish. If you're going on Fox News, at least clean your room, put on something other than a sweatshirt, and come PREPARED. You have to know that Fox is going to ask you horribly loaded questions that aim to make you seem like the biggest fool on earth. But the funny part is, they didn't even do that. The questions asked pretty much amounted to "What are your aspirations?" an…

You expect him to do work to prepare for the interview? I thought it was clear he was anti-work! He wanted to clean up his room....then realized laziness is a virtue!

Re: Anti-work subreddit goes private after rough Fox News interview

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Post by loceng »

rPlayer6554 wrote: post #94
alexb_ wrote: post #26

The entire thing was a disaster, start to finish. If you're going on Fox News, at least clean your room, put on something other than a sweatshirt, and come PREPARED. You have to know that Fox is going to ask you horribly loaded questions that aim to make you seem like the biggest fool on earth. But the funny part is, they didn't even do that. The questions asked pretty much amounted to "What are your aspirations?" an…

You expect him to do work to prepare for the interview? I thought it was clear he was anti-work! He wanted to clean up his room....then realized laziness is a virtue!

He clearly didn't read Jordan Peterson's 12 Rules for Life.

Re: Anti-work subreddit goes private after rough Fox News interview

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Post by lordloki »

joecot wrote: post #15
xqcgrek2 wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The host was quite respectful and only asked reasonable questions.

When your enemy is making a mistake, don't interrupt them. If the mod had coherent sensible arguments, I'm sure the host would've done the usual Fox News tactics of talking over them, misstating their points, etc. But he didn't need to. All he had to do was reel out enough rope for her to make a noose.

You're building a strawman.

Re: Anti-work subreddit goes private after rough Fox News interview

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Post by ethagknight »

bjourne wrote: post #88
NoPicklez wrote: post #32

The part that Fox hit the nail on the head was asking them what they really wanted to do in life. They responded saying to teach Philosophy, now all jokes aside, what's stopping this person from going after that? This movement that this person supports isn't going to get them to where they want to be in life, or atleast have a go. Like all things people have their own interpretation of what "anti-work" is. For me it'…

No, antiwork is the idea that work is unnatural, forced upon us and not part of what it is to be human. For example, I work in academia so I have lot of personal freedom and I enjoy my work. However, work itself is still forced upon me . I have no practical choice on over whether I should work or not. Antiwork means that you think this is bad and that you should have that choice. Antiwork is not Socialism, it is not…

Curious, forced upon you by whom? if you move somewhere where no one else can force you to work (maybe the wilderness?), then what forces you to work?

Re: Anti-work subreddit goes private after rough Fox News interview

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Post by mtmail »

ddtaylor wrote: post #14
datavirtue wrote: post #9

Movement? It's a reddit. My favorite reddit, and the only reason I go to Reddit anymore. That is the problem and that's why the fear level of the elites (about unionization) is elevated enough to start running hatchet jobs on a forum.

> It's a reddit. My favorite reddit, and the only reason I go to Reddit anymore. I have never been to that subreddit, what's the regular content about?

Similar to https://www.reddit.com/r/TalesFromTheFrontDesk/ or https://www.reddit.com/r/assholetax/ but where workers complain about their employers, managers, human resources department, toxic workplaces, unions, minimum wage or holiday regulations. First person stories where a worker quit on the spot or otherwise "sticked it to the man" were popular.

Re: Anti-work subreddit goes private after rough Fox News interview

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Post by dajoh »

ethagknight wrote: post #98
bjourne wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, antiwork is the idea that work is unnatural, forced upon us and not part of what it is to be human. For example, I work in academia so I have lot of personal freedom and I enjoy my work. However, work itself is still forced upon me . I have no practical choice on over whether I should work or not. Antiwork means that you think this is bad and that you should have that choice. Antiwork is not Socialism, it is not…

Curious, forced upon you by whom? if you move somewhere where no one else can force you to work (maybe the wilderness?), then what forces you to work?

Just because you're in the woods does not mean you can ignore the law.

Where do I find this mythical wilderness where no laws apply to me?

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