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Re: Anti-work subreddit goes private after rough Fox News interview

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Post by llampx »

kova12 wrote: post #45
Datenstrom wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks for the missing context I haven't been following the news around this in any detail. Also, I agree it was politically a bad move and she should have expected it and prepared better. Just him mocking aspiring to be a dog walker really revolted me. I deeply appreciate everyone who does things for me so I can be doing other things that interest me no matter what they might be.

walking dogs for living is surely a valid life choice, it's just not a type of career you would expect from leader of a movement.

As far as I can see, this person didn't act like a leader of the movement at all except by founding the subreddit and deleting the inevitable spam and porn links. Does they have any posts where they is acting like a leader?

Re: Anti-work subreddit goes private after rough Fox News interview

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Post by NoPicklez »

hypertele-Xii wrote: post #70
NoPicklez wrote: post #32

The part that Fox hit the nail on the head was asking them what they really wanted to do in life. They responded saying to teach Philosophy, now all jokes aside, what's stopping this person from going after that? This movement that this person supports isn't going to get them to where they want to be in life, or atleast have a go. Like all things people have their own interpretation of what "anti-work" is. For me it'…

> If this person had said, I work x number of hours a week dog walking so I can follow my passion of x, then that's completely fine. What if one can follow their passion of x without walking the dog? Would that then not be fine with you anymore?

Well if they don’t have a job at all and/or their passion does not bring in an income from said passion then I don’t know how they will put food on the table.

My point was that this person conveyed themselves as a 30 year old dog walker who sleeps on the job and wants to work less hours. But if they could follow their passion they would want to teach. But this person was not making any strides in achieving this at all.

Re: Anti-work subreddit goes private after rough Fox News interview

#83

Post by tpxl »

mobiuscog wrote: post #74
joecot wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I personally agree that our goal should be not having to work to live. Making a "living" should not be a thing. People should work because they want to work, or because they want a higher amount of resources and comfort than the basic level provides. That said, that position is one that Fox News would be happy to make a field day of for their viewers, especially if they get someone who can't coherently argue for it,…

Where does the 'basic level' of resources and comfort come from, if one does not work ? I agree that life shouldn't be all about work, surely some form of work is essential to be able to provide the basics, even if that work is farming your own land to grow your own food. Anyone expecting even a basic level of anything without being willing to contribute at all is not demonstrating good behaviour within society.

According to a random source, in 1991 some 44% of the world population worked in agriculture, and 28% did in 2018. That's 16% of the world that doesn't have to do anything to ensure the 'basic level' of food resources. I'm sure other resources have seen a (smaller) drop. We could have 20 hour workweeks in the 2000's like predicted in early 1900's, 'we' just didn't 'chose' to do so. That or retirement at 45 instead of 65.

Re: Anti-work subreddit goes private after rough Fox News interview

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Post by [deleted] »

Graffur wrote: post #77

As usual with stories like this, everyone taking part comes across badly. Fox, the interviewer and the Reddit mod. The anti-work movement is goodin the sense that it is waking people up to spending all their lives working for terrible bosses and companies. Should peoples lives be hard just so we can make other rich people richer? So they can live in giant houses, by the sea? So they can own multiple vehicles and fly…

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Re: Anti-work subreddit goes private after rough Fox News interview

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Post by [deleted] »

lloydatkinson wrote: post #68

The working theory is the mods, including this one, were paid off to be a total disaster to try prevent the movement gaining further traction. Everyone in the subreddit voted no to a media appearance. That mod decided otherwise with a second interview with another mod not yet aired.

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Re: Anti-work subreddit goes private after rough Fox News interview

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Post by jmrm »

- For those outside of the loop, a couple time-ordered points not mentioned here:

Fox contacted to the mods and asked specifically to talk with this person, and the mods accepted this instead of other due to having some experience in other media. All of this without asking the users if they agree with that.

The Fox interview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3yUMIFYBMnc

After the Fox interview happened, practically the whole subreddit were upset and disappointed. People asked why this happened in this way, why they didn't prepare a lot more this kind of event, and practically they got an "it is what it is", with a bit of authoritarian smell because the mods took this personally.

People really get even more mad about this, created other subreddits, and created threads in r/antiwork saying things like "mods are mods, not leaders or content creators, and they shouldn't influence the whole sub" and like like "we need new mods".

Mods took that personally, banned a lot of people, removed a lot of comments, more people were mad about this, and even attacked personally the person who spoke in Fox, until they had to close the sub.

- Sources:

https://old.reddit.com/r/SubredditDrama/comments/sdesxw/mega...

https://old.reddit.com/r/ABoringDystopia/comments/sdjc4b/the...

- What I think we should learn about this:

Fox wanted to interview a specific mod because they knew that using a person who probably would give a bad public image they can show a bad image of the sub. And not only Fox, but every media who have a opposite idea or ideology to yours.

Mods weren't clever enough to ask the people if they wanted or not to be in Fox, who should be the spokesperson, and what thing they wanted defend, report, or ask for. They also needed to make to the spokesperson a guide about what appearance (not only physical) give and what subjects needs to talk.

The spokesperson never should talk about their personal life. That person is representing a group of people, not only one.

You can stop individual people, but not a common idea.

This is gonna be used for ever to teach people what not to do in an interview for a lot of time.

Re: Anti-work subreddit goes private after rough Fox News interview

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Post by bjourne »

NoPicklez wrote: post #32

The part that Fox hit the nail on the head was asking them what they really wanted to do in life. They responded saying to teach Philosophy, now all jokes aside, what's stopping this person from going after that? This movement that this person supports isn't going to get them to where they want to be in life, or atleast have a go. Like all things people have their own interpretation of what "anti-work" is. For me it'…

No, antiwork is the idea that work is unnatural, forced upon us and not part of what it is to be human. For example, I work in academia so I have lot of personal freedom and I enjoy my work. However, work itself is still forced upon me. I have no practical choice on over whether I should work or not. Antiwork means that you think this is bad and that you should have that choice. Antiwork is not Socialism, it is not workers' rights. It can't be because antiwork means that workers shouldn't even exist!

Would I be happier unemployed? No, probably not. I'd feel like shit. Because society is setup so that if you are unemployed you are poor and people think you are a loser. Careers are how we measure ourselves and others. But this is part of what is crap with this system. It's insane that I (and most others) would feel bad for having too much leisure time.

Re: Anti-work subreddit goes private after rough Fox News interview

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Post by uxp100 »

xg15 wrote: post #69
alexb_ wrote: post #26

The entire thing was a disaster, start to finish. If you're going on Fox News, at least clean your room, put on something other than a sweatshirt, and come PREPARED. You have to know that Fox is going to ask you horribly loaded questions that aim to make you seem like the biggest fool on earth. But the funny part is, they didn't even do that. The questions asked pretty much amounted to "What are your aspirations?" an…

I didn't really follow the whole affair, but I found it interesting that Fox apparently specifically requested this particular mod for the interview - and that the mod had already given interviews in the past. I haven't seen those past interviews, but if she behaved like that in the past, could it be that requesting her was the brunt of Fox' strategy? Like, they might have known she would make a fool of herself (and…

She was the head mod, and was the only one to have done other interviews. That doesn’t seem that interesting to me. Who else would you request to interview, but the person who handles media and is “in-charge.” (Not really all that in-charge, though she made the subreddit private, so)

Re: Anti-work subreddit goes private after rough Fox News interview

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Post by Beltalowda »

alexb_ wrote: post #63
anothernewdude wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Doesn't matter. Fox News selected this guy for a reason.

Fox News actually didn't select her - the mod team elected her as the best representative. Think about that.

The Fox Team specifically asked for her in the mod mail, and the mods agreed she would be the best choice.

So it's both right: Fox News asked for her and she was selected/elected by the mod team.

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