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Re: Ask HN: Why the obsession with note taking?

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"The only difference between screwing around and science is writing it down" - if you write down personal experience or observation in the context of time and place and are able to recall it instantly in the right time in the future, it might save your time, health, life, money.

Re: Ask HN: Why the obsession with note taking?

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A related question for note-takers: what would you estimate as your rate of reference to prior notes? For my own part that rate is so dismally low that right now I get more value out of making notes than retrieving and reading notes. I'm reminded of a response to another thread on HN a few weeks back about organizing physical documents. Many commenters had very sophisticated processes with scanning, OCR, indexing etc…

> what would you estimate as your rate of reference to prior notes?

For arbitrary links and bookmarks, probably quite low, so I rarely bother with that sort of noting (never managed to make pinboard an essential part of my life).

If I am specifically researching something deeply, like a personal project, I am much more likely to go back to a link I've noted, because I've usually gone to the trouble to describe that link in a searchable way.

For work-related notes, close to always. I _start_ by reopening the note relevant to the job (Apple Notes search is so fast this is easy), and I modify/append to it as I go along; those notes are "workbooks" effectively and they are essential to my process now.

Re: Ask HN: Why the obsession with note taking?

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It's not "note taking", it's "information organization". At least, that's how I think of it. There's a lot of data out there that I have to be able to "know" with only limited brain to store it in, and a lot of people have issues with ADHD or Executive Function Disorder. That compounds issues with recall and incorrect focus, and notes/wikis/orgmode/roam/jupyter can all at least feel like they're helping, if only to help calm the chaos in our heads a little.

As with anything, yak shaving can creep into what you do. Certainly I need to stop myself from further refining my Emacs init from time to time. People yak shave by trying lots of different note taking systems, sucked in by shiny promises. It's much easier to start something than to expand and refine what's already there, like deciding to refactor an entire codebase rather than tackle difficult bug fixes and feature requests.

There's also the feeling that we're not good enough, that others are better because we only see the end-product of their organization, not the struggles they went through.

Re: Ask HN: Why the obsession with note taking?

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I mostly abandonded keeping notes, bookmarks etc because I realised it became another "collecting" exercise and sucked up time far in excess of it's utility. I make specific exceptions (especially for things that may be of use to others) but I become too addicted to the act of collating and organising. Gmail with it's "search don't sort" was an eye opener back in the day. I stopped filing emails and realised with a d…

I agree. Emails (especially if you email yourself notes)and the internet automatically handle the vast majority of filing and search makes it the fastest retrieval system available.

Re: Ask HN: Why the obsession with note taking?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Tooling wise; I like handwriting, as I can draw arrows and quick sketches. If you ever decided you want to go full digital, I highly recommend checking out the tablets from https://remarkable.com/ . My wife has the same approach to handwritten notes and loves it! I can confirm that when writing on the reMarkable 2 tablet, you can forget that it is not pen and paper. I particularly enjoy being able to take notes on…

I was debating between that one and the iPad mini! Sounds like an awesome device, must be great for reading as well. The main reason I went for the iPad mini was the size (and apps maybe). Before I had an iPad Air 10.5 inch, and it was just too big for my use, it made it inconvenient. I'm still debating getting one anyway. It has that "coolness factor", and I want it haha. If they ever produce a smaller version I am…

If size was the only issue, there is also the Supernote A5X (and A6X for that matter) which I've been thinking about, but think I've decided against as it feels like a bit of a halfway house between real paper and an ipad

But for you, it might be perfect

Re: Ask HN: Why the obsession with note taking?

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post #75

It isn't about note taking, it's about supporting a brain that simply isn't capable of retaining the level of information that we have to deal with. The ultimate note taking device is actually an augmented human brain that has perfect recollection and organisation. In the mean time the note taking apps help with: Working memory - a page can hold far more information than I can retain in my working memory. Having a bu…

Memory can be improved with 2000-year-old techniques like memory palaces. This doesn't replace note-taking, but low-latency cache can improve synthesis and note quality.

I use a memory palace and a system of mnemonics all the time for things I want to commit to long term memory. I can speak Japanese and read 2,000 kanji thanks to memory palace techniques. Still, the cognitive load for scribbling down a grocery list is much smaller than trying to make a memorable grocery list in my memory palace. My memory palace also doesn't help me when I've mindlessly set my wallet down and can't find it 30 seconds later. I guess I'm saying that I agree, it doesn't replace note taking.

Re: Ask HN: Why the obsession with note taking?

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People have written notes, sketches, essays, letters, journals and diaries for as long as there has been writing. Even mathematicians of Gauss's or Newton's stature wrote vastly more than they published. It helps to organize and clarify one's thought processes and if one is particularly well organized about it, boosts recall. Careful application can also boost WM, a key component of fluid intelligence. Modern Note taking seems to be about formalizing the process of getting the most out of one's writing and learnings. I have personally not found anything that clearly beats notepad level text editors or plain pencil and paper, however.

My thoughts on this is as tools for thought, there can never be a one size fits all solution for the reason that there are many thinking styles and personalities. Todo lists, project planning and time tracking, programming languages, note taking apps, UI frameworks, game engines all fit the pattern of tools meant to organize complex mental processes and artifacts and where everyone settles for what best matches them though never fully satisfied. Meanwhile those who can find the time and ability to make something better suited to their taste do so, also bringing something to those most aligned to their tastes.

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