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Ask HN: Why the obsession with note taking?

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Re: Ask HN: Why the obsession with note taking?

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My take - note taking is a symtom of ADHD. The fact these topics are popular on HN suggests there are quite a lot of ADHD people here. The counter intuitive thing is that these apps are thought of as something that helps with attention disorders. But wanting to "organize life", "track thoughts and ideas", "never forget what you learned", etc, are symptoms, not cures.

I have ADHD and for me note taking has always been a novelty; like todo lists. I get excited about it, I forget about it the next day. Most days I kept thinking "I should write this down", and then didn't. But now that I am _diagnosed_ with the thing, I will try and make more use of note taking, since I'm made aware my memory isn't great.

I have ADHD too and for some reasons sometimes even an idea to write sth down is painful. But I still try and I think that's something that you can train yourself to do. But you really have to do that every day or even every hour.

Re: Ask HN: Why the obsession with note taking?

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Because it's a productivity fetish and a whole lot of wishful thinking that a new app can give you superpowers whereas a proper search functionality to find what you are looking for is sufficient in 90% of the cases. To reap its benefits, and for the remaining 10% of the cases, you need some simple but consistent conventions and discipline to document things that matters. It's no magic, but people love treating it as such. I always find everything I am looking for by searching in only three different places: (1) my mailbox [I never delete emails but archive], (2) my Dropbox [which OCRs my scans as well], and (3) my note-taking app Joplin[0].

[0] https://joplinapp.org/

Re: Ask HN: Why the obsession with note taking?

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My take - note taking is a symtom of ADHD. The fact these topics are popular on HN suggests there are quite a lot of ADHD people here. The counter intuitive thing is that these apps are thought of as something that helps with attention disorders. But wanting to "organize life", "track thoughts and ideas", "never forget what you learned", etc, are symptoms, not cures.

Are you implying that note-taking is an unhealthy obsession, or coping mechanism? Pretty much every famous and successful inventor, artist, writer, or leader, from Winston Churchill to Leonardo Da Vinci left behind a copious, almost obsessive amount of notes/diaries/sketches/lists.

Re: Ask HN: Why the obsession with note taking?

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Yesterday I was thinking this exact thing. Now I see this post. Creepy.

Anyway back to the topic, I think everyone wants to create the simples, sleekiest, cleanest note taking app which is easy to use and also very easy to develop.

On the other hand I find the stock Notes.app and TextEdit more than enough for all my needs.

Re: Ask HN: Why the obsession with note taking?

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I unfortunately am a rote learner. So it helps me to type things out to further remember. I also sometimes like being able to look stuff up/previous thoughts and then just the process of making an interface/storing info... something to do I guess. When I work I keep a daily log of what I do/what I'm thinking.

Also something about it helps me "relax" particularly with regard to finance tabulation/burn rate, like no I won't be homeless anytime soon.

Re: Ask HN: Why the obsession with note taking?

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A lot of people think that traditional note-taking can be improved (me included). As evidence, below is a short list of note-taking companies that YC has recently given money to.

Clover: https://www.ycombinator.com/companies/clover

Athens: https://www.ycombinator.com/companies/athens-research

Dendron: https://www.ycombinator.com/companies/dendron

Heptabase: https://www.ycombinator.com/companies/heptabase

My current favourite tool is the whiteboard feature of Diagrams.net (https://sketch.diagrams.net/). It is similar to the philosophy of Heptabase, which is centred around organizing notes and images with a whiteboard. But I like the openness and portability of Diagrams.net (Although I'm a big fan of the Heptabase team and product!).

I organize my notes in an outline/mind-map style similar to Amazing Marvin (https://amazingmarvin.com/) left to right connection is parent to child while top to down connection is older sibling to younger sibling.

Re: Ask HN: Why the obsession with note taking?

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post #42

My take - note taking is a symtom of ADHD. The fact these topics are popular on HN suggests there are quite a lot of ADHD people here. The counter intuitive thing is that these apps are thought of as something that helps with attention disorders. But wanting to "organize life", "track thoughts and ideas", "never forget what you learned", etc, are symptoms, not cures.

> My take - note taking is a symtom of ADHD It's not a symptom of ADHD. It's one of the coping strategies for people with ADHD who have problems memorising things.

If note taking is used to help with memory, it should be done under rules or supervision, in my opinion.

The usual way to track knowledge and tasks is within a project. You come to a road block, do research, overcome, and continue.

But many of those note taking posts talk about personal "wiki" projects and tracking _everything_. I suspect that with ADHD its hard to filter out the important things from background. And based on my observation wth these apps people start organizing and remembering this "background". When background noise is reduced the need for complex apps is no longer there - there are a lot fewer things left that are worth remembering. (exceptions apply, of course)

Re: Ask HN: Why the obsession with note taking?

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Taking notes is the alternative to passively consuming information. It's how I work out the consequences of my ideas and bring together relevant information. It's how I remember what happened three months ago when I tried the same thing but with twice as much cornstarch. Sometimes I take my notes in the form of Wikipedia articles (e.g., https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drafting_film), but most of them contain original research, so more usually I take notes in Emacs in Markdown (about 1.7 million words so far), or on paper with a pencil or pen. (Markdown is pretty shitty at sketching out process flow diagrams for air conditioners or drawing circuit schematics.) Occasionally I use graphviz, org-mode, Falstad's circuit.js, or Jupyter.

When I want to remember who did that paper on implicit fractal rendering with reduced affine arithmetic, I grep my notes (Gamito and Maddock, cf. https://dercuano.github.io/notes/affine-arithmetic-newton.ht...).

When I want to remember when Putin said a third world war was imminent due to US precision-guided munitions, I grep my notes (at Sochi in 02014, cf. https://dercuano.github.io/notes/wwiii-genesis.html).

When some dumbfuck on HN is saying "Yes China is making big growth in renewables but they're making even bigger growth in coal" and accusing anyone who disagrees of "brushing off scary conclusions" because they "can't get their heads around" the reality of the situation, I can just paste my analysis of growth in the Chinese energy market from my notes, which demonstrates that the opposite is the case: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29843985

I learn more from fifteen minutes of taking notes on a book or a video than I do from an hour of passively reading it. Better still is taking notes as a way of contrasting two or three different sources of information, or using them to bring into focus inconsistencies or contradictions I wouldn't have noticed otherwise, or bring my attention to the information I lack in order to understand something.

I had read about configuring an opamp as a differential-to-single-ended amplifier (say, for high-side current sensing for a power supply current limit) half a dozen times over the years. But it wasn't until a few weeks ago when I tackled the problem with a mechanical pencil in my notebook (schematics, equations, paragraphs of flawed reasoning) that I really understood how to do it. After three tries. Maybe if I'd taken better notes when I was reading about it, it wouldn't have taken me so long.

Reading over my old notes, I see how incredibly wrong and clueless I was about so many things. Without notes, people tend to forget their past errors, which leads them to overestimate their judgment. I also see how I've changed, not always for the better.

Diagrams, equations, and data tables in my notes are much easier to show to someone than to tell them verbally in a conversation, and they're generally better drawn than what I can manage to sketch out on scratch paper or a blackboard during a conversation.

It would be great to have software that enabled better integration of my notes with databases and computer models, but the more important thing is retrievability. I want to reduce the chance I'll lose my notes, or that I won't be able to find things in them.

Re: Ask HN: Why the obsession with note taking?

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I love note taking. The act of writing something down gives me so much insight and clarity. It's similar to trying to explain something to other people, it requires a much deeper understanding. Even if I don't share it with anyone it helps me figure stuff out. I don't read back 90% of what I write, the writing itself is what provides most value to me. Although it can be handy to dig into the archives to understand my…

> Tooling wise; I like handwriting, as I can draw arrows and quick sketches.

If you ever decided you want to go full digital, I highly recommend checking out the tablets from https://remarkable.com/. My wife has the same approach to handwritten notes and loves it! I can confirm that when writing on the reMarkable 2 tablet, you can forget that it is not pen and paper. I particularly enjoy being able to take notes on it in the margins when reading a book...

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