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Re: Anti-work subreddit goes private after rough Fox News interview

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Post by shitlord »

alexb_ wrote: post #26

The entire thing was a disaster, start to finish. If you're going on Fox News, at least clean your room, put on something other than a sweatshirt, and come PREPARED. You have to know that Fox is going to ask you horribly loaded questions that aim to make you seem like the biggest fool on earth. But the funny part is, they didn't even do that. The questions asked pretty much amounted to "What are your aspirations?" an…

FYI you may want to rehost that second image. Reddit is currently scrubbing that image off their website, and they will delete it if they become aware of it.

Re: Anti-work subreddit goes private after rough Fox News interview

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Post by hypertele-Xii »

joecot wrote: post #13
Datenstrom wrote: post #8

The personal attacks and especially acting like dog walking is some lowly profession is just disgusting. Anyone doing anything "ambitious" is only being held up by the support of many others making just as meaningful contributions. A dog walker provides a great service to a community that impacts many peoples lives by keeping their companions, which provide emotional support and boost their productivity, healthy and…

It's not so much that the problem is being a dog walker, it's that she's a dog walker who only works 20-25 hours a week and believes people should work even less . And that her response to Fox News's question about whether they were being lazy was "Laziness is a virtue". This mod made previous posts about how she literally sleeps on the job[1], so this isn't about a noble career choice, it's just about laziness. She…

Here's the thing though: Our social and economic systems are founded on RIGHTS. The person saying "I don't wanna work bullshit jobs to afford a decent life and following my passion" relies on the exact same rights as the person saying "I refuse working at all towards any goal simply because I can."

These specific anti-work people may literally be just lazy, but by pushing that agenda, they are naturally advocating for workers' rights. It doesn't actually matter what their motivations (or lacks thereof) are; Only the rights matter.

Similarily, with Universal Basic Income you will surely get some people who simply engage in indefinite hedonism, but it is absolutely worth it for the effects of UBI on everybody else.

Re: Anti-work subreddit goes private after rough Fox News interview

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Post by [deleted] »

xg15 wrote: post #69
alexb_ wrote: post #26

The entire thing was a disaster, start to finish. If you're going on Fox News, at least clean your room, put on something other than a sweatshirt, and come PREPARED. You have to know that Fox is going to ask you horribly loaded questions that aim to make you seem like the biggest fool on earth. But the funny part is, they didn't even do that. The questions asked pretty much amounted to "What are your aspirations?" an…

I didn't really follow the whole affair, but I found it interesting that Fox apparently specifically requested this particular mod for the interview - and that the mod had already given interviews in the past. I haven't seen those past interviews, but if she behaved like that in the past, could it be that requesting her was the brunt of Fox' strategy? Like, they might have known she would make a fool of herself (and…

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Re: Anti-work subreddit goes private after rough Fox News interview

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Post by mobiuscog »

joecot wrote: post #22
eurasiantiger wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

”Essentially the issue here is that the subreddit started years ago not as a discussion of worker rights reforms, but of people wanting to figure out how to work as little as possible, period” What else are worker rights in the 2020s? We only have one life, why not enjoy it like the men in suits?

I personally agree that our goal should be not having to work to live. Making a "living" should not be a thing. People should work because they want to work, or because they want a higher amount of resources and comfort than the basic level provides. That said, that position is one that Fox News would be happy to make a field day of for their viewers, especially if they get someone who can't coherently argue for it,…

Where does the 'basic level' of resources and comfort come from, if one does not work ? I agree that life shouldn't be all about work, surely some form of work is essential to be able to provide the basics, even if that work is farming your own land to grow your own food.

Anyone expecting even a basic level of anything without being willing to contribute at all is not demonstrating good behaviour within society.

Re: Anti-work subreddit goes private after rough Fox News interview

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Post by Slippery_John »

wiseowise wrote: post #50
tonyedgecombe wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>The market decides how hard you are expected to work That's like saying house prices in San Francisco are set by how much people are willing to pay. It's true but hides the real problem which is housing is unaffordable for many in that area.

> That's like saying house prices in San Francisco are set by how much people are willing to pay. They literally are. > It's true but hides the real problem which is housing is unaffordable for many in that area. Area has finite amount of estate. The only "solution" is to create ghettos of human hives which lead to classes of problems on their own.

Some people own multiple homes. Some people rent out those second homes. Some turn them into glorified hotels via AirBnB and the like. Some merely sit on them as an investment vehicle or a tax avoidance scheme. These people are leeches on society, artificially increasing housing prices while providing no real value.

> The only "solution" is to create ghettos of human hives which lead to classes of problems on their own.

As a general rule, one can assume that anybody who refers to humans as an infestation or their homes as hives is not a good person. Have the day you deserve.

Re: Anti-work subreddit goes private after rough Fox News interview

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Post by Graffur »

As usual with stories like this, everyone taking part comes across badly. Fox, the interviewer and the Reddit mod.

The anti-work movement is goodin the sense that it is waking people up to spending all their lives working for terrible bosses and companies. Should peoples lives be hard just so we can make other rich people richer? So they can live in giant houses, by the sea? So they can own multiple vehicles and fly first class everywhere? So they can play golf at fancy clubs when they want?

Why should a worker for a massive e-commerce company not be able to use the toilet? Just so the CEO can go to space as a hobby? FFS.

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Post by nsotelo »

alexb_ wrote: post #30
anonygler wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s a zoom call. Autistic people are capable of basic discipline. They’re clearly not medically disabled.

Look, I'm not trying to defend her. But do you think that autism goes away when it's a zoom call or something? I think that it's a perfectly fine explanation for no eye contact/rocking, as both are common symptoms of autism. Think it's a bit rash to immediately assume they are "clearly not medically disabled".

The point remains, maybe as an autistic person they don't like eye contact or sitting still but that's where discipline comes into it.

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Post by krapp »

Graffur wrote: post #77

As usual with stories like this, everyone taking part comes across badly. Fox, the interviewer and the Reddit mod. The anti-work movement is goodin the sense that it is waking people up to spending all their lives working for terrible bosses and companies. Should peoples lives be hard just so we can make other rich people richer? So they can live in giant houses, by the sea? So they can own multiple vehicles and fly…

>The anti-work movement is goodin the sense that it is waking people up to spending all their lives working for terrible bosses and companies.

It didn't wake anyone up to anything - everyone except perhaps the entitled rich has been perfectly aware of this ever since the days of the Industrial Revolution. Go watch Metropolis, made in 1927, where the plight of the working class is illustrated as oppressed factory workers literally being thrown into the furnace mouth of Moloch.

People don't put up with work because they're blind to its nature, they put up with work because they have no alternative in a purely capitalist system in which survival can only be rented by the labor class, not owned. But what is the anti-work movement's answer to this? Just don't work? That's not feasible for most people.

Re: Anti-work subreddit goes private after rough Fox News interview

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Post by NoboruWataya »

eurasiantiger wrote: post #21
joecot wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not so much that the problem is being a dog walker, it's that she's a dog walker who only works 20-25 hours a week and believes people should work even less . And that her response to Fox News's question about whether they were being lazy was "Laziness is a virtue". This mod made previous posts about how she literally sleeps on the job[1], so this isn't about a noble career choice, it's just about laziness. She…

”Essentially the issue here is that the subreddit started years ago not as a discussion of worker rights reforms, but of people wanting to figure out how to work as little as possible, period” What else are worker rights in the 2020s? We only have one life, why not enjoy it like the men in suits?

A safe and healthy workplace is one thing. Also, a stable schedule (which may actually involve advocating for more working hours). To say that workers' only concern is that they have to actually work is a rather blinkered perspective I think.

Separately, I'm not sure who you are referring to by "the men in suits" but the large majority of men in suits I know (lawyers, accountants, finance professionals) work crazy hours.

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