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Post by badRNG »

raxxorrax wrote: post #188
Animats wrote: post #155

Naomi Wu seems to upset a lot of people. She makes things, and was accused by the publisher of "Make" magazine of being a fake, with some guy doing the actual work. She replied by posting long, detailed videos of her making stuff. An hour of cutting aluminum extrusions with a chop saw and putting together a frame. Soldering PC boards. Eventually, the guy apologized. One of the useful things she's done is to put up lo…

I don't really support to ban anything that could be seen as sexual, but if you put it out, some people will always judge you on that merit. It will also net you attention and can overshadow your other feats. Should she be condemned for that? I don't think so. But the engineering feats alone will never be the focus as a consequence.

>but if you put it out, some people will always judge you on that merit. It will also net you attention and can overshadow your other feats.

This is actually a common apologetic in defense of Burqas and similar objects of "modesty" for women.

Re: Naomi Wu video demonetized on YouTube

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Post by 0dayz »

fdomig wrote: post #73

That is America. We need a European Alternative. Anyways, heading to the sauna right now. Naked.

All jokes aside the issue I see with a European alternative is that EU laws about Free speech isn't as wide as US and they got their own pet peeves like hate speech laws ( on paper I support but in practice I don't) and other weird country specific restrictions.

Re: Naomi Wu video demonetized on YouTube

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Post by meheleventyone »

Animats wrote: post #155

Naomi Wu seems to upset a lot of people. She makes things, and was accused by the publisher of "Make" magazine of being a fake, with some guy doing the actual work. She replied by posting long, detailed videos of her making stuff. An hour of cutting aluminum extrusions with a chop saw and putting together a frame. Soldering PC boards. Eventually, the guy apologized. One of the useful things she's done is to put up lo…

Just shows how casually misogynist the world still is. Some of the replies here are pretty shocking

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Post by varjag »

Foobar8568 wrote: post #262
Animats wrote: post #155

Naomi Wu seems to upset a lot of people. She makes things, and was accused by the publisher of "Make" magazine of being a fake, with some guy doing the actual work. She replied by posting long, detailed videos of her making stuff. An hour of cutting aluminum extrusions with a chop saw and putting together a frame. Soldering PC boards. Eventually, the guy apologized. One of the useful things she's done is to put up lo…

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Oh right, she has good command of English which is checks notes the most widely spoken language on the planet Earth. No way to learn decent English unless you are a communist party agent.

That must be how I learned mine!

Re: Naomi Wu video demonetized on YouTube

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Post by chrischen »

bayesian_horse wrote: post #247
chrischen wrote: post #193

For any Westerners here who seem to have a hard time understanding why this is wrong: Look at an even more women-oppressing culture such as that of Afghanistan under the Taliban. Women are required to cover their faces in public. Why? For "modesty." What it boils down to is that if women show their faces it could have a negative effect on men (sexual attraction). A lot of people where are shaming her for being essent…

I think there must still be some restrictions. Topless nudity is on the verge for me. The only reason why I think there is a case to be made is that so many people around the world DO find it offensive. But that's still a weak argument. Showing primary sexual organs in my opinion is not a question and shouldn't be tolerated in many venues. It is a form of aggression in almost every culture. Even some hunter gatherers…

The issue here isn't about sex at all or sexualization. Sexualization is given as the reason because that's all men can see breasts as. If you look at it from a dog's point of view, or a baby's point of view, it's a source of food or just another thing and you may start to wonder what the big deal is with making breasts bigger or even showing them.

The issue of contention here is that women have to adjust their behavior/physical appearance over some non genitalia body parts because it happens to induce sexualization in some men, and men don't have to cover that same body part.

What if the majority of people were sapio-sexuals instead of breast-sexuals? Do I need to start dumbing down my HN posts so that I don't be perceived as immodest? Given the diversity of sexual preferences where do I draw the line of accommodating others' sexualization boundaries?

For the record I agree with you on genitalia, because at least both men and women are not allowed to show them. But breasts? It is not genitalia—it is not even used in the act of sex (normally)!

Re: Naomi Wu video demonetized on YouTube

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Post by lelanthran »

chrischen wrote: post #256
lelanthran wrote: post #233

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, sub out boobs with genitals in your argument, and replace men/man with women/woman and see if your argument is still sensible[1] when women complain that they have no wish to see male genitalia. You're complaining that men are the problem because women are the target, but I'm pretty certain a significant number of women also complain when a venue has unexpected partial female nudity. [1] Every culture draws the…

I address that point that some woman want to wear burkas, just as some women don't want to show their boobs. Just because most men don't want to be tempted by seeing boobs, some women don't want to see boobs either. But regardless of men or women neither should be dictating how some woman want to show their body. Also, while I use the term "men" I really mean "any person that sexualizes a woman over their physical ap…

> But regardless of men or women neither should be dictating how some woman want to show their body.

But, they can dictate how some men want to show their body? *shakes head*

Firstly, you claimed that men are the problem, not that people who object are the problem. This new claim is a different claim.

Secondly, whether you like it or not, women are more likely to complain of male nudity in a venue than men are to complain of female nudity in a venue, yet you want to portray the argument as "men are the problem".

Your argument only works in your head because you draw an artificial distinction between men and women, and you want to "protect" the women. Treat everyone as people and your argument falls over.

Distill your argument to the essential bits:

1. Does a person have a right to show whatever part of their body that they want to?

Sure.

2. Do people have to be forced to see that display in a public venue?

Depends on what the society has decided on.

3. Should the rule be based on whether the viewer/displayer is female or male?

Most definitely not.

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Post by blueflow »

Animats wrote: post #155

Naomi Wu seems to upset a lot of people. She makes things, and was accused by the publisher of "Make" magazine of being a fake, with some guy doing the actual work. She replied by posting long, detailed videos of her making stuff. An hour of cutting aluminum extrusions with a chop saw and putting together a frame. Soldering PC boards. Eventually, the guy apologized. One of the useful things she's done is to put up lo…

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Re: Naomi Wu video demonetized on YouTube

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Post by throwaway4good »

pjc50 wrote: post #207
throwaway4good wrote: post #75

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Fairly sure she's already reported being visited by the police over the contents of her Twitter and youtube. In addition to being "outed". While you're suggesting that she do things that will result in her being silenced, for your own laughs.

I realize the for-all-over-an-empty-set joke may be lost on some ...
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