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Re: Naomi Wu video demonetized on YouTube

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Post by bayesian_horse »

oceanghost wrote: post #5

Sigh... while talented, she is constantly pushing the boundaries of taste and the YouTube TOS to gain subscribers. She pretends to be some women's rights activist when she's really just a purveyor of some weird type of titillation. Yes the algorithm is capricious, yes its arbitrary, and yes YouTube is evil. But she's clearly making a bust of herself naked. I'm sure if I put my balls on YouTube they'd be more than dem…

"Balls" are primary sexual organs, breasts, male or female, are not.

Shoving your genitals in someones face is definitely aggression. Just showing breasts is not.

Re: Naomi Wu video demonetized on YouTube

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Post by jevoten »

chrischen wrote: post #193

For any Westerners here who seem to have a hard time understanding why this is wrong: Look at an even more women-oppressing culture such as that of Afghanistan under the Taliban. Women are required to cover their faces in public. Why? For "modesty." What it boils down to is that if women show their faces it could have a negative effect on men (sexual attraction). A lot of people where are shaming her for being essent…

> For any Westerners here who seem to have a hard time understanding why this is wrong

As opposed to the sexually liberated cultures of Asia, India, or the Middle East?

> The point is that those restrictions on women shouldn't be dictated by the actions or effects they have on men. Instead, men should either change their viewpoints or control their own sexualization so that women don't have to accommodate them.

What is this mirror universe where men recoil at the unclad female form? Please direct your complaints either at puritanism in general, or Google and their advertisers in particular. I certainly don't feel accommodated by this demonetization.

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Post by 3np »

SexyCyborg wrote: post #199
black_puppydog wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm happy to see you here, and kind of shocked how the discussion seems to flow past your comments, going back and forth within the HN crowd instead of engaging with literally the creator who's livelihood is being discussed here. For any random project that gets posted on HN, "hey, author here..." posts will typically end up at the top of the page, let's hope we also manage for this one here. I had honestly not ever…

That's very kind of you. No Patreon and Western sponsors are understandably reluctant to work with a Chinese national- even those that are ok with my appearance. Chinese businesses can't figure out how I am still online, most don't want to risk the association but a few do and sponsor just enough to keep the lights on. It's tight some months though.

Would you be up for receiving cryptocurrency, either as sponsoring (like your tipeee site) or just as donations?

EDIT: See now that you already accept the main ones Pro tip for when you have the time: Generate a new BTC address (native segwit bech32; starts with "bc1" instead of "1"). It will lower fees significantly, which can be a difference between a smaller donation being meaningful or not when fees are higher)

Re: Naomi Wu video demonetized on YouTube

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Post by sriram_malhar »

op00to wrote: post #240
lelanthran wrote: post #233

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, sub out boobs with genitals in your argument, and replace men/man with women/woman and see if your argument is still sensible[1] when women complain that they have no wish to see male genitalia. You're complaining that men are the problem because women are the target, but I'm pretty certain a significant number of women also complain when a venue has unexpected partial female nudity. [1] Every culture draws the…

Breasts are not genitalia. At least where I live in the US, there is no law against women being topless.

Most states in the US have indecent exposure laws. Some explicitly speak of breasts, others coyly cover them under "private parts".

https://www.findlaw.com/state/criminal-laws/indecent-exposur...

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Post by alfiedotwtf »

raxxorrax wrote: post #188
Animats wrote: post #155

Naomi Wu seems to upset a lot of people. She makes things, and was accused by the publisher of "Make" magazine of being a fake, with some guy doing the actual work. She replied by posting long, detailed videos of her making stuff. An hour of cutting aluminum extrusions with a chop saw and putting together a frame. Soldering PC boards. Eventually, the guy apologized. One of the useful things she's done is to put up lo…

I don't really support to ban anything that could be seen as sexual, but if you put it out, some people will always judge you on that merit. It will also net you attention and can overshadow your other feats. Should she be condemned for that? I don't think so. But the engineering feats alone will never be the focus as a consequence.

> some people will always judge you on that

Guess what - some people will judge, or even attack, just because she was a woman. Another example is Australia's political climate the past two days.

Naomi is a cool person, and she should be celebrated for doing cool things regardless of how she looks.

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Post by chrischen »

lelanthran wrote: post #233
chrischen wrote: post #193

For any Westerners here who seem to have a hard time understanding why this is wrong: Look at an even more women-oppressing culture such as that of Afghanistan under the Taliban. Women are required to cover their faces in public. Why? For "modesty." What it boils down to is that if women show their faces it could have a negative effect on men (sexual attraction). A lot of people where are shaming her for being essent…

Yeah, sub out boobs with genitals in your argument, and replace men/man with women/woman and see if your argument is still sensible[1] when women complain that they have no wish to see male genitalia. You're complaining that men are the problem because women are the target, but I'm pretty certain a significant number of women also complain when a venue has unexpected partial female nudity. [1] Every culture draws the…

I address that point that some woman want to wear burkas, just as some women don't want to show their boobs. Just because most men don't want to be tempted by seeing boobs, some women don't want to see boobs either. But regardless of men or women neither should be dictating how some woman want to show their body.

Also, while I use the term "men" I really mean "any person that sexualizes a woman over their physical appearance."

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Post by rbanffy »

laumars wrote: post #50
drawfloat wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not being funny, but there are plenty of western countries that don't go around censoring this stuff. There's one massive leader in it.

Ironically the same county that doesn’t see an issue with guns and graphic violence. I’ll never understand how a nipple is more offensive than shooting someone.

The right to have tools for killing people is considered essential to maintain their democracy. Unfortunately, their constitution doesn't say anything about the right of being naked or having large breasts or other visible appendages shall not be infringed upon.

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Post by bayesian_horse »

jessikat wrote: post #184
oceanghost wrote: post #5

Sigh... while talented, she is constantly pushing the boundaries of taste and the YouTube TOS to gain subscribers. She pretends to be some women's rights activist when she's really just a purveyor of some weird type of titillation. Yes the algorithm is capricious, yes its arbitrary, and yes YouTube is evil. But she's clearly making a bust of herself naked. I'm sure if I put my balls on YouTube they'd be more than dem…

It's basically the digital equivalent of body shaming. And this sort of thing will feed into biased AI algorithms, and shape the world of "acceptable media" in the years to come. It may seem harmless on the surface, but the ramifications run deep.

It's not body shaming, it's sexism by enforcing a questionable modesty standard.

If anything, she is punished for looking too good.

Re: Naomi Wu video demonetized on YouTube

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Post by chrischen »

sriram_malhar wrote: post #254
op00to wrote: post #240

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Breasts are not genitalia. At least where I live in the US, there is no law against women being topless.

Most states in the US have indecent exposure laws. Some explicitly speak of breasts, others coyly cover them under "private parts". https://www.findlaw.com/state/criminal-laws/indecent-exposur...

Yea but those laws are the manifestation of cultural mores. It used to be illegal for black people to vote so laws shouldn't be held up as universal rules of what should be right. I think the important bit is that breasts are not genitalia, and men can expose their breasts. At least for actual genitalia, no humans of any gender can legally expose them in public! That is at least fair.
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