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Re: Naomi Wu video demonetized on YouTube

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Post by Ancapistani »

oceanghost wrote: post #5

Sigh... while talented, she is constantly pushing the boundaries of taste and the YouTube TOS to gain subscribers. She pretends to be some women's rights activist when she's really just a purveyor of some weird type of titillation. Yes the algorithm is capricious, yes its arbitrary, and yes YouTube is evil. But she's clearly making a bust of herself naked. I'm sure if I put my balls on YouTube they'd be more than dem…

> she is constantly pushing the boundaries of taste and the YouTube TOS to gain subscribers.

Yeah, she’s definitely pushing the boundaries… but I’m not convinced that she does it to gain subscribers.

I recall speaking with her in what I believe was her first “public” appearance on the Internet, on Reddit, several years ago. She put up with a lot of sexist crap[1], and disappeared for a while shortly thereafter.

I think her reasons for her body modifications and the somewhat sexual tone of her projects are inherent to her personality; I think she’d be doing exactly the same stuff if she wasn’t getting paid for it.

1: … and bear in mind this is coming from someone who has a generally low tolerance for “wokeness”. The things people said to her were really bad.

Re: Naomi Wu video demonetized on YouTube

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Post by bsder »

oceanghost wrote: post #5

Sigh... while talented, she is constantly pushing the boundaries of taste and the YouTube TOS to gain subscribers. She pretends to be some women's rights activist when she's really just a purveyor of some weird type of titillation. Yes the algorithm is capricious, yes its arbitrary, and yes YouTube is evil. But she's clearly making a bust of herself naked. I'm sure if I put my balls on YouTube they'd be more than dem…

> She pretends to be some women's rights activist when she's really just a purveyor of some weird type of titillation.

You are over-reading this. I would chalk it up to "Chinese market is different from the US. Shrug."

When I was looking for Cantonese lessons for my work many moons ago, the tutors made a point of emphasizing their modeling credentials (both men and women).

HUHWUT?

It was a very strange experience for me having come from the US where "sexual-type discussions are considered unprofessional". I simply shrugged it off, tried a couple tutors until one clicked, never talked about their "modeling career", and got on with butchering Cantonese horribly. :)

Re: Naomi Wu video demonetized on YouTube

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Post by geuis »

I don't personally follow the stuff she does but I still support her work and choices she makes.

What I'm really concerned about is her safety operating out of China. Just in the last couple of years, we've seen several relatively high profile women either go silent or even disappear without warning in China.

She could easily get caught up in some party member's politics net for doing or saying "the wrong thing".

If she gets nabbed tomorrow, there will be a 1-week public uproar in the West then crickets after that. That will be accompanied by criticism that "she deserves it" and "omg Becky just look at her" kind of sexist comments.

Re: Naomi Wu video demonetized on YouTube

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Post by tgv »

arpa wrote: post #12

What I don't get is how in year 2022, having landed on the moon and tricked silicon into computing for us, we as a western civilization still haven't come to terms with our own bodies, other peoples' bodies, the fact that we have a sex drive, the fact that we can and do have sex for pleasure and punish ourselves for all of these things. It's insane.

We have long come to terms with this, and the general opinion seems to be that there should be limits to public nudity and sex. These are not culturally invariant, but the internet happens to be a thing that is accessed from all over the world, so there's a kind of lowest common denominator where money is concerned. A bit hypocritical at times, but quite understandable, really. I don't know why you think that's insane.

Re: Naomi Wu video demonetized on YouTube

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Post by 3np »

SexyCyborg wrote: post #46
deadalus wrote: post #30

Youtube Alternatives : Centralized : Dailymotion, Bitchute, Rumble, DTube, Vimeo, Vidlii, DLive, Triller Decentralized : Odysee(LBRY), Peertube

Yes, unfortunately it's a bit like trying to run a hotel and not being able to take Visa or Mastercard- just Discover Card. Alternatives in this case don't really help, it's marketshare that produces the income.

It's a chicken-and-egg-thing though, with the viewers and the uploaders...

I think the most realistic path to something better is that content-makers who realize the value in alternatives to the YT model and Google or would like to minimize being dependent on their goodwill, will start to double-post their content to a less controlled alternative (today that would be Peertube and/or LBRY). It will probably not happen over night, but at some point I think that's the best shot at reaching critical mass where it's enough market share to be profitable and all the rest will follow. Even if exposure is initially negligible, keep at it, Rome was not built overnight.

Same thing for Twitter... Why not start having a presence on the Fediverse? :)

I absolutely get where you're coming from, but now that you're personally experiencing some of the downside of the centralized US/China-centric status quo, rather than only trying to have the dictators be more benevolent, start taking steps to be part of something better?

HMU if you're up for it and need help with hosting or whatnot.

BTW, really appreciate you doing what you do and coming in and engaging in the comments. I'm sure you're a source of inspiration for many.

Re: Naomi Wu video demonetized on YouTube

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Post by Animats »

SexyCyborg wrote: post #98
draw_down wrote: post #2

Well you know, they’re a private company and they can choose who they will monetize.

Absolutely. And I'm free to call out the hypocrisy of that given their PR messaging about diversity and inclusion.

You're doing good work. Don't stop. We in America need more people to understand why Shenzhen works. We used to have cities like that in the US.

(An automatic tool setter for the SYIL mill will make it more useful. Having to manually set each tool discourages you from using more than one tool per job. Automatic tool setters are cheap, while automatic tool changers are expensive. I've used a Tormach without a tool setter, which means you spend too much time setting up.)

Re: Naomi Wu video demonetized on YouTube

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Post by jimworm »

cfn wrote: post #131
ajross wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why do people insist on conflating demonitization with censorship? Google isn't saying she can't put her body on YouTube, they're saying they don't think they can sell ads on that content. If advertisers would pay for controversial content, we wouldn't be having this discussion.

"My channel got demonetised but my videos shows ads." https://support.google.com/youtube/thread/105920334/my-chann...

This is the big one imo. Youtube's monopoly status is making creators sign unfair contracts, after which stealing from them becomes legal.

Re: Naomi Wu video demonetized on YouTube

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Post by chrischen »

circlefavshape wrote: post #163
chrischen wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Youtube has a checkbox for not for kids and she points out that she checks this for all her videos.

That youtube checkbox is to highlight content specifically made for children, not content unsuitable for children

While true the tweet where she mentions this also shows that sexual content is permitted, and advertisers can opt in for monetization.

Re: Naomi Wu video demonetized on YouTube

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Post by chrischen »

4gotunameagain wrote: post #141
meheleventyone wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you think nude statues are tasteless wait until you learn about fine art!

Quoted post unavailable.

She’s not forcing anybody to give their attention. Who’s fault is it to give that attention? (Hint: men). So she can’t get breast enhancement because it will risk other (men) possibly objectifying her? It’s the men doing the objectifying so defining what she can or can’t do with her body because of the effect it might have on others (mostly men) is the very definition of male entitlement.

Re: Naomi Wu video demonetized on YouTube

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Post by yanderekko »

helsinkiandrew wrote: post #68
oceanghost wrote: post #5

Sigh... while talented, she is constantly pushing the boundaries of taste and the YouTube TOS to gain subscribers. She pretends to be some women's rights activist when she's really just a purveyor of some weird type of titillation. Yes the algorithm is capricious, yes its arbitrary, and yes YouTube is evil. But she's clearly making a bust of herself naked. I'm sure if I put my balls on YouTube they'd be more than dem…

She is a conundrum: is she titillating or expressing herself, or maximising her reach? It is a sad fact that if you took two women on youtube with equal talents and content - the one that "dressed up a little" would be more successful. I don't think that's the case with men (although Colin Furze and Integza do wear ties, maybe that's a factor in their success) It hard to see how YouTube can defend their actions - her…

>It hard to see how YouTube can defend their actions

We shouldn't expect them to. There's always going to be blurry boundaries between sexual and non-sexual content, and we should accept this. What we should be critical of is the appearance of selective enforcement - ie. some people are banned and others are not for identical behavior.

I remember on Twitch there's a girl who kept getting banned for wearing the same skimpy clothes that many other female streamers wear, she just had larger breasts that were more attention-grabbing. So the bans seemed superficially unfair, but it was fairly obvious what principle was motivating them.

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