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Re: Naomi Wu video demonetized on YouTube

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Post by 4gotunameagain »

laumars wrote: post #50
drawfloat wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not being funny, but there are plenty of western countries that don't go around censoring this stuff. There's one massive leader in it.

Ironically the same county that doesn’t see an issue with guns and graphic violence. I’ll never understand how a nipple is more offensive than shooting someone.

Female breasts were, are, and will be secondary sexual characteristics. With whatever implication.

Male and female bodies will never be the same, and they shouldn't be.

That should have zero implications on equality though. It means that it is trickier to achieve

Re: Naomi Wu video demonetized on YouTube

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Post by chme »

SexyCyborg wrote: post #88
stale2002 wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ok, thats fine if she wants to do that type of content (if you don't like the words "sexual content" then make up a new word, because that's not the point). But sometimes advertisers do not want to advertise on that type of content, and since it is their money, thats alright. Like sure, go ahead. Make that type of content. But don't be surprised when advertisers don't want to buy ads on it.

>Ok, thats fine if she wants to do sexual content. You are sexually attracted to dressmakers dummies made out of 4mm cardboard?

A lot of people think that looking at flickering colorful lights on a planar surface can be sexually arousing. There are so many fetishes... ;)

However I do think that western culture is a bit on the prude side and has a strange double standard regarding nude or partially nude bodies depending on gender or its features. Sexualizing one type, while normalizing another.

Re: Naomi Wu video demonetized on YouTube

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Post by th0ma5 »

SexyCyborg wrote: post #106
buryat wrote: post #83

She should start an onlyfans, they’re fine with this content over there and I’d happily subscribe

It would be used against me to further discredit my technical work. There are plenty of people who would love to be able to accurately refer to me as an "Only Fans model".

I often think of your public statements against SJW issues and people diminishes your feminist work. I think the technical work stands on its own for sure.

Re: Naomi Wu video demonetized on YouTube

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Post by touisteur »

SexyCyborg wrote: post #97
ddtaylor wrote: post #74

IMO the real point here is that many content creators/streamers want to have their cake and eat it too. On the one hand they want to be classified as family-friendly so they can target their content to children, which is the audience with the highest advertising margins and merchandising opportunities. On the other hand they want to push a sexual image to gain increased views. Most would agree that pushing sexualized…

My videos are all marked "not for children".

Which is a shame. They're all watching animes, mangas and I want my girls to one day see all the cool things one can do with 3d printers and that you can be dressed in whatever you like and be awesome, and call BS on bad ventilators or bad security practices, and still be respectful of your moral roots and parents and live safely in an authoritarian place...

I hope YT realize one day that your content is far better and rich than the false medical ads they're pushing sometimes on kids playlists... And that an less evil alternative emerges.

Re: Naomi Wu video demonetized on YouTube

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Post by praptak »

SexyCyborg wrote: post #88
stale2002 wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ok, thats fine if she wants to do that type of content (if you don't like the words "sexual content" then make up a new word, because that's not the point). But sometimes advertisers do not want to advertise on that type of content, and since it is their money, thats alright. Like sure, go ahead. Make that type of content. But don't be surprised when advertisers don't want to buy ads on it.

>Ok, thats fine if she wants to do sexual content. You are sexually attracted to dressmakers dummies made out of 4mm cardboard?

Depends on what is painted on the cardboard.

Re: Naomi Wu video demonetized on YouTube

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Post by black_puppydog »

SexyCyborg wrote: post #6
oceanghost wrote: post #5

Sigh... while talented, she is constantly pushing the boundaries of taste and the YouTube TOS to gain subscribers. She pretends to be some women's rights activist when she's really just a purveyor of some weird type of titillation. Yes the algorithm is capricious, yes its arbitrary, and yes YouTube is evil. But she's clearly making a bust of herself naked. I'm sure if I put my balls on YouTube they'd be more than dem…

"She pretends to be some women's rights activist" I'm a mainland Chinese citizen with a high profile on Western Social Media, I can assure you I work very hard to make sure no one confuses me as a women's rights activist. Particularly not these days. "Yes the algorithm is capricious," Not the algorithm- all human moderation. "she's really just a purveyor of some weird type of titillation" Why not just have an Only Fa…

I'm happy to see you here, and kind of shocked how the discussion seems to flow past your comments, going back and forth within the HN crowd instead of engaging with literally the creator who's livelihood is being discussed here.

For any random project that gets posted on HN, "hey, author here..." posts will typically end up at the top of the page, let's hope we also manage for this one here.

I had honestly not ever thought about your financials, simply assuming that with such a prolific youtube chain you would be fine. Your first twitter thread about this a few days ago made me reconsider, and given that youtube are being so arrogant about this I just signed up for a small $5 subscription on your tipeee.

@everyone: if your stance is "just ditch youtube" then this is your chance to make it possible: https://en.tipeee.com/naomiwu/

Edit: wow, just read through the rest of the thread. Actually a lot of back and forth going on. I stand corrected. :)

Re: Naomi Wu video demonetized on YouTube

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Post by Freak_NL »

robinduckett wrote: post #51
SexyCyborg wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"She pretends to be some women's rights activist" I'm a mainland Chinese citizen with a high profile on Western Social Media, I can assure you I work very hard to make sure no one confuses me as a women's rights activist. Particularly not these days. "Yes the algorithm is capricious," Not the algorithm- all human moderation. "she's really just a purveyor of some weird type of titillation" Why not just have an Only Fa…

> mainland Chinese citizen Which is a hugely touchy subject around here on its own, for some reason

From what I understand it is as often a problem with translation as it a clear political standpoint. What makes the phrase 'mainland China' problematic in English, is that it can mean a number of things. Someone from China using it may do so because:

* They were taught to do so and simply understand it to mean 'someone from the People's Republic of China'. No political subtext intended.

* They use it to mean that they are from the literal mainland of the People's Republic of China, but not Hong Kong or Macau.

* They use it because they genuinely see Taiwan as 'that other part of China' that needs to be unified with the People's Republic of China, despite having been a sovereign democracy for over 70 years.

When you say "I am from China" (or "I am from the PRC"), there is no chance of this having any deeper political meaning. When you say "I am from mainland China", there is a good chance that you do see Taiwan as a 'rogue province' and may support its 'inevitable' reunification by any means, including force. That latter sense is the one that is highly political and irks many people.

Note: there is no need to get into the justness or wrongness of Chinese reunification here; it would be off-topic and not likely to be fruitful. I do think it is important that people understand that the phrase 'mainland China' is not bereft of connotations and may cause readers to form an opinion of the person using it that may not be in line with that person's actual intent.

Re: Naomi Wu video demonetized on YouTube

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Post by inDigiNeous »

SoylentYellow wrote: post #109

Yet WAP and other far more explicit music videos are not demonetized.

This. The music industry is continously producing even more sexualized content, basically utilizing the visual model of porn in their "music" videos to get popular and attract viewers, through appealing to the lowest common denominator of our basic needs.

But I guess there is money in that for advertisers, so it's allright, too bad money speaks and then when individual content creators just try to utilize that same thing, they get demonetized.

I'm all for youtube not becoming basically a strip club, but at least have some cohesive applying of those rules then for the music industry also.

Re: Naomi Wu video demonetized on YouTube

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Post by wickedsickeune »

arpa wrote: post #12

What I don't get is how in year 2022, having landed on the moon and tricked silicon into computing for us, we as a western civilization still haven't come to terms with our own bodies, other peoples' bodies, the fact that we have a sex drive, the fact that we can and do have sex for pleasure and punish ourselves for all of these things. It's insane.

Actually "western civilization" if you just count it as having begun in ancient Rome (if not earlier) didn't really have such a problem with nudity intrinsically.

Re: Naomi Wu video demonetized on YouTube

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Post by bambax »

oceanghost wrote: post #5

Sigh... while talented, she is constantly pushing the boundaries of taste and the YouTube TOS to gain subscribers. She pretends to be some women's rights activist when she's really just a purveyor of some weird type of titillation. Yes the algorithm is capricious, yes its arbitrary, and yes YouTube is evil. But she's clearly making a bust of herself naked. I'm sure if I put my balls on YouTube they'd be more than dem…

You may not be completely wrong, but this is her answer:

> YouTube's criteria are patriarchal, and male gaze focused- if men like it, it's bad and women need to change

I think she's right. The kind of puritanism enforced by Youtube (or Facebook) is based on, and obsessed by, male gaze, and therefore patriarchal and retrograde.

I would agree that there's a limit, and that limit is porn (yet Twitter doesn't censor porn, with no ill consequence to their business). What she's doing isn't porn.

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