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Alder Lake Core i9 processor is faster than the M1 Max

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Re: Alder Lake Core i9 processor is faster than the M1 Max

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Post by runeks »

Eric_WVGG wrote: post #55
dijit wrote: post #3

3.5%-5% increase in performance at more than double the wattage, for a chip that is not in consumers hands against a chip that basically hasn't changed and was released 14 months ago~ This is not the victory that the title implies. It's also a _little_ bit funny that the i9 laptop was double the price, given people usually rant loudly about how expensive Apple computers are.

I don’t think this is going to happen, but: It would be extremely funny if Apple strapped a heavy copper heatsink and a turbo fan to an M1 and just overclocked the ever-lasting crap out of it. The crazy thing about using a Macbook Pro (with an M1 Pro or M1 Max CPU) is that, in single-threaded performance, it's really no faster than a dippy little Macbook Air. And at the end of the day, single-thread performance is mo…

> The crazy thing about using a Macbook Pro (with an M1 Pro or M1 Max CPU) is that, in single-threaded performance, it's really no faster than a dippy little Macbook Air.

That “dippy little M1 MacBook Air” is damn fast. Even for single core tasks. I’ve owned one for a year now, and recently got the new M1 Pro with eight of the same cores, and single thread performance is not low by any sensible measure.

Re: Alder Lake Core i9 processor is faster than the M1 Max

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Post by sid-ant »

gnufied wrote: post #34

I know everyone is going to jump the gun and declare how mediocre Intel's offerings are in terms of power efficiency but lets not forget that this Laptop is also running RTX 3080Ti and historically more 5% performance on Alder Lake CPUs requires somehow way more power. Same thing happened during 12900K reviews. IMO - it would be interesting to see benchmark of P and U series Laptops. Honestly I do not think they are…

There is no Intel 14core laptop with i9-12900HK consumes 115W of Turbo Power (PL2) [1]

At 45W it can only do 2.5Ghz ( literally half ) on P cores and 1.8Ghz on E cores.

It would be really interesting to see how this processor works with TB disabled which is really easy thing to do.

[1] https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/docs/proces...

Re: Alder Lake Core i9 processor is faster than the M1 Max

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Post by chias »

dragontamer wrote: post #191
chias wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wouldn't solve the problem. Basically you need the integrated components to have shorter transition times. These are an inherent property of the component: speeding up the transition time basically means "replace this component with a different component that has a shorter transition time"

Overvolting the component and sending more current to any transistor tends to speed it up, though at the cost of severely more watts used. Overclocking is often a combination of overvolting (leading to more amps), allowing you to increase clock speeds.

As they say, "the candle that burns twice as bright burns half as long", or, in this case, "the transistor that runs at thrice the voltage runs for about 1.3 seconds"

Re: Alder Lake Core i9 processor is faster than the M1 Max

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Post by runeks »

ksec wrote: post #250

1. The M1 / M1 Pro / Max Single Core Max out at around 5W. On TSMC 5nm, at 3.2Ghz. 2. The AlderLake i9-12900HK, is on Intel 7nm ( Or Intel7 ), runs with a a maximum of 5Ghz. My guess the power for single core on this chip is anywhere from 15W to 20W. 3. The Single core performance between the two are about ~5% to 20% if you are SIMD heavy. There are lots of people in thread and the article linked comparing the system…

> The 100W M1 Max includes NPU, Media Engine, 8 Channel ( Or 16 depending how you want to count them ) memory controller, SSD Controller and GPU.

It maxes out at 40W, not 100W (according to the Anandtech measurement).

Re: Alder Lake Core i9 processor is faster than the M1 Max

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Post by sinuhe69 »

p1necone wrote: post #23

A lot of people are misinterpreting the results here (understandably, the article is pretty bad). They're benchmarking the CPU, but measuring the power draw of a whole laptop - including a dedicated 3080ti GPU which will still be drawing a decent amount of power even at idle. This benchmark is useful for measuring the speed and power draw of /this specific laptop/ vs an m1 MacBook, but not so much this new i9 in gene…

I don't have the data for 3080TI but my GTX1650 consumes between 1-2 W in idle mode. Of course TI is a totally different beast.

Re: Alder Lake Core i9 processor is faster than the M1 Max

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Post by cehrlich »

philistine wrote: post #239
speed_spread wrote: post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At least this CPU can run more than a single OS.

Give it a couple more months and Linux will boot on Apple Silicon. Give it a couple of years and Microsoft will wisen up and start licensing Windows for Apple Silicon too. Then we'll be back to where we were before the architecture switch.

It’s obviously not valid for all use cases, but Windows already runs great in Parallels. If I give it half the CPU cores and RAM of my M1/16GB Air, it benchmarks around the same as an Intel Quad Core 13” Pro.

Re: Alder Lake Core i9 processor is faster than the M1 Max

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Post by dvhh »

I would think that speed would come 5th in my list of desirable feature in a laptop

1. portability 2. battery lifetime 3. cost 4. connectivity

So Intel bragging for speed with such higher consumption and dedicated GPU (as opposed to integrated one). Maybe I have some niche use

Re: Alder Lake Core i9 processor is faster than the M1 Max

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Post by ramijames »

MBCook wrote: post #46
victorronin wrote: post #25

I switched about half a year ago from a MacBook Pro with an Intel processor to MacBook Pro with an M1 processor. My overall impression was "when the hell will it run out of power"? I spent the whole working day (without a charger) and it was still at 60%, while I was constantly stressed before when I had to do something without a charger for more than 3-4 hours. I don't care what any test, but tripling battery life w…

I replaced an older MBP with the M1 air. It ran circles around the old machine despite being the lowest spec. Battery is light years ahead. And it doesn’t even have a fan . So it’s dead silent. Never gets hot unlike the old Intel. There isn’t any mechanical component to fail except the hinge and the keyboard. I was worried I might regret not waiting for the higher spec M1s. Now that just seems totally unnecessary for…

I had a 2019 Intel MBP. I hated that machine with a vengeance. It was always hot, and because of that always throttled. I live in a hot place (Israel) and during the summer of 2021 the heat caused a massive expansion of the battery which destroyed the laptop.

I went for an M1 in late 2021 after using a Windows machine for a few months and hating every moment of it.

The M1 is simply incomparable. Fast. Silent. It feels futuristic.

Re: Alder Lake Core i9 processor is faster than the M1 Max

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Post by ksec »

runeks wrote: post #254
ksec wrote: post #250

1. The M1 / M1 Pro / Max Single Core Max out at around 5W. On TSMC 5nm, at 3.2Ghz. 2. The AlderLake i9-12900HK, is on Intel 7nm ( Or Intel7 ), runs with a a maximum of 5Ghz. My guess the power for single core on this chip is anywhere from 15W to 20W. 3. The Single core performance between the two are about ~5% to 20% if you are SIMD heavy. There are lots of people in thread and the article linked comparing the system…

> The 100W M1 Max includes NPU, Media Engine, 8 Channel ( Or 16 depending how you want to count them ) memory controller, SSD Controller and GPU. It maxes out at 40W, not 100W (according to the Anandtech measurement).

I am sure the 40W is CPU only, excluding other part of the SoC. The M1 Max GPU alone could push to 60W.

Re: Alder Lake Core i9 processor is faster than the M1 Max

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Post by andreime »

AceJohnny2 wrote: post #211

It amuses me how the decades-long market leader is scrambling to recover from the blow Apple dealt them. What could have been if the Itanium had worked out. If they had done something good with XScale. If, if...

From the blow AMD dealt them.
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