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Facebook's Newest Problem: Being Boring

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Re: Facebook's Newest Problem: Being Boring

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The article claims that Facebook's messaging features are a failure. I disagree; they have massive potential. Facebook chat is the primary real time chat system that I use these days and has replaced MSN for me and my friends. I recently installed the Messenger app on my iPhone and it certainly has the potential to kill off whatsapp and similar apps due two reasons: all my contacts are already available, and that I c…

The more established IM services like AIM, MSN, or Gtalk already let you chat on your phone or desktop (or on someone else's desktop, from a browser!). Facebook's chat is just a less reliable clone of many existing products. It gets even less reliable if you connect to it over XMPP.

Re: Facebook's Newest Problem: Being Boring

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Google has been throwing shit against the wall for many years and most of it hasn't stuck and their core product, search, is still 95% of their business (and they're a juggernaut). I view Facebook in the same light. They are the dominate social network and have by far the most users. Right now they are throwing shit against the wall to see what sticks but it doesn't really matter. They've already earned the eyes and ears of almost 1 billion people and they will not fade soon.

Re: Facebook's Newest Problem: Being Boring

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Facebook's problem is all these announcements. Zuckerberg never appeared at a huge conference when he first made Facebook, it spread completely on merit. Now everything's more formal, and every time they make anything new they have to introduce it to the world like it's some boring cocktail party.

They have become too confident because of their numbers - size doesn't really matter. Despite having the largest user-base online, they have been unable to convert users from any of these smaller services they've attempted to copy. That's because people still go on Facebook for the same reason they always have, to check up on their friends. That's what they did best, and what they need to continue doing. Most of these extra services like "deals" and "seamless messaging" have generally been flops because people aren't unanimously going to switch over to Facebook for them when the originals (Groupon, cell phones) began as providers of said service and therefore have a committed user-base. Every tech service introduced into the world either succeeds and generates a user-base, or fails and disappears. The services Facebook is trying to copy and replace have stood the test of time.

However I don't agree that Google's hangouts "upstaged" Facebook-Skype because usually when I, like most people, use video chat it's with one person anyway. It's hard to catch multiple people who I want to talk to who are online with nowhere to go or nothing to do at the same time for more than a minute or two. Perhaps Hangouts is more impressive to hackers and tech pundits because of its maximum capacity, but to me Skype is all I will ever want because it follows the always-valuable advice, "Keep It Simple Stupid."

This is advice that Facebook needs to learn to start following again. It did so in the beginning, but all the money and engineering power have somewhat blurred their vision. As an example, Twitter is the most excellent company I can think of that follows K.I.S.S. An x-y graph of simplicity and success would have time-tested services like Twitter, Foursquare, and cell phones looming over everyone else.

Re: Facebook's Newest Problem: Being Boring

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"Yahoo has no vision. It has no purpose. It's dispensable." Facebook may have no vision. (I actually think they do. Even if it's not very clear or savory.) But facebook certainly isn't dispensable. The analogy would be much more complete if you imagined that Yahoo was the only main email provider, emails didn't get exchanged between servers and in order to get an email to yahoo mail users you had to go to Yahoo to ma…

"But facebook certainly isn't dispensable"

Facebook can be replaced by a new social network. For the moment, however, there is no compelling new vision for social networking (and I fully agree that facebook will not be replaced by facebook++, but rather with a reimagination of the concept)

Re: Facebook's Newest Problem: Being Boring

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Facebook jumped the shark when all those horrible, ugly apps started polluting the thing with idiocy. The editorial incompetence and general awfulness of the ecosystem was astonishing. Farmville was the end of the beginning of the end. In 2004, Facebook wasn't garbage. It was simple, it served a purpose very well. It changed the social experience of being in college, a sharp contrast against "social" today which is l…

I think Facebook has mostly corrected the app garbage problem. I'm no longer bombarded with invitations to Ninjas vs. Pirates and my news feed is very rarely invaded by Farmville. I lost most of my interest (although I still use it daily) when they added the news feed. It took away the importance of profiles and took away the fun of "stalking". It used to be a regular problem that people would spend too much time por…

It's definitely an age thing. I've been through both your and the GP's situations since I've graduated university and thought that Facebook jumped the shark... Until I talked to both of my younger brothers that still use facebook the same way I did when I was in university.

So facebook definitely has a narrow age range appeal but it hasn't gotten better or worse.. It's just that people outgrow it while others grow into it.

Re: Facebook's Newest Problem: Being Boring

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post #35

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I think Facebook has mostly corrected the app garbage problem. I'm no longer bombarded with invitations to Ninjas vs. Pirates and my news feed is very rarely invaded by Farmville. I lost most of my interest (although I still use it daily) when they added the news feed. It took away the importance of profiles and took away the fun of "stalking". It used to be a regular problem that people would spend too much time por…

It's definitely an age thing. I've been through both your and the GP's situations since I've graduated university and thought that Facebook jumped the shark... Until I talked to both of my younger brothers that still use facebook the same way I did when I was in university. So facebook definitely has a narrow age range appeal but it hasn't gotten better or worse.. It's just that people outgrow it while others grow in…

My experience is so very different. I'm 31 years old and my life is managed by Facebook. When my someone in my social circle wants to host an event? Facebook. When someone needs help with something? Facebook. When someone wants to show me something? Facebook. When my sister wants to brag about my nephew? Facebook.

It's the most important tool in my digital life and it's not even close (sorry gmail:>).

I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm simply raising a counterpoint.

Re: Facebook's Newest Problem: Being Boring

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Facebook is a social network. Being social, it is subject to the same laws of attraction, affection, excitement, and coolness that the hot new restaurant, dance club, and sports stadium are in your particular city.

Step 1: the cool kids spot a new place and start hanging out there.

Step 2: the first signs of the popped collared masses show up, pushing the cool kids out as they realized the lame-streamers have spotted the new venue.

Step 3: the masses start reviewing the venue on Yelp and in local hipster papers claiming it is the hot new spot.

Step 4: the suburbanites located a 30 minute drive from the venue (without traffic) read these reviews and start frequenting the venue, causing long line-ups outside.

Step 5: the masses proclaim the venue to be uncool and/or played out and move on to the next best thing.

Step 6: the venue becomes filled with 30 and 40 something divorcées who are trying to be cool and crossing their fingers that they win the lottery so they can avoid having to do the whole Match.com and eHarmony thing.

Step 7: the neighbourhood that the venue is in becomes fully gentrified and the venue is sold to some entrepreneur who wants to make it into a Starbucks or fake Irish pub.

Facebook's history follows this same pattern:

Step 1 (2004-2005): The place for cool university kids.

Step 2 (2006-2007): The 20 somethings show up and proclaim how awesome this new phenomenon is. Not to be out-done, they claim ownership to the new network, and get their friends to start checking it out every so often instead of MySpace.

Step 3 (2007): The young professionals show up and start discovering that their old high school sweethearts grew fat, old, and unhappy. They revel in the spectacle. The cool university kids start complaining that the place was better when it was just Stanford, Harvard, et al.

Step 4 (2008-2009): Your mom, dad, uncles, and aunts show up to the show. With every Like from their mom, 20 and 30-somethings start cringing and trying to figure out how they can lock down their privacy settings. Word starts leaking out about how the cool kids are now using something called Twitter.

Step 5 (2010): The first murmurings about it being cool to not be on Facebook are actually taken seriously as every 50 year old and their day job at some boring Fortune 500 company setup shop with a Facebook Group and a QR code advertisement. "Quit Facebook Day" becomes a movement. The cool kids, having adopted Twitter en masse, now start being over-run by the 20 and 30 something professionals who are desperate to find their new fix.

Step 6 (2011): With most actual action happening on Twitter, Facebook is relegated to the social networking equivalent of having brunch with your friends. It's no longer the cool party spot. It's just a place you go to brag about that other cool thing you were up to the night before.

Step 7 (2012): Facebook announces its IPO and officially becomes the Hotmail of Web 2.0.

Re: Facebook's Newest Problem: Being Boring

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On joining my company last year, one of the first things I heard my boss tell me was that we were aiming to be boring Getting nearly a billion users, being one of the most influential companies in the world and not being exciting enough for tech pundits is an awesome problem to have.

For some things, boring is good. Sell good car parts. Sell reliable financial services. Be boring and win.

But Facebook didn't their users and especially their sixty billion dollar valuation by being boring.

Facebook - at this moment - has one of the most amazing web development teams on the planet (if reports are to be believed). They do a lot of slick development with relatively few people. But how long can they keep that up now that they've stopped being "the thing that's happening??

Re: Facebook's Newest Problem: Being Boring

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Facebook is a social network. Being social, it is subject to the same laws of attraction, affection, excitement, and coolness that the hot new restaurant, dance club, and sports stadium are in your particular city. Step 1: the cool kids spot a new place and start hanging out there. Step 2: the first signs of the popped collared masses show up, pushing the cool kids out as they realized the lame-streamers have spotted…

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