It amuses me how the decades-long market leader is scrambling to recover from the blow Apple dealt them.
What could have been if the Itanium had worked out. If they had done something good with XScale. If, if...
Alder Lake Core i9 processor is faster than the M1 Max
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#212Also, on my MacBook tonight, the CPU core temperatures reported via Macs Fan Control were ambient temperature. Which seems kinda crazy.
It was idling the CPUs, as it performs the most important task of the hour: downloading another 2GB system update.
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> I don’t think this is going to happen, but: It would be extremely funny if Apple strapped a heavy copper heatsink and a turbo fan to an M1 and just overclocked the ever-lasting crap out of it. I fully expect this is what the new Mac Pro will look like, probably with multiple M1s.
M1 Max has a cross-die interconnect they photoshopped out of the marketing die shots, so I fully expect Apple to ship dual-Max configs on the Pro. (Also, RIP one of the most tinkerer-friendly Mac configs in a very long time.)
The internal design is 2-die max, so that'll be a somewhat puny Pro by Mac Pro standards. Maybe a Mac Mini Pro?
I expect them to come up with something much crazier with a newer design, perhaps in the M2 generation. Doesn't mean much, but the IRQ controller architecture and driver in these machines claim to scale to 8 dies, even though the existing implementation in the M1 Max is sized for 2. That's no guarantee they're looking at a product like that, but they might be.
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I deeply regret getting only 16gb ram in my air for exactly this reason.
Can you elaborate? I don't have a MacBook (but have been considering getting one), but I can't imagine that you need more that 16 GB of RAM to run a browser, no matter how memory-hungry Chrome might be. Is this really an issue? Maybe you're trolling? I don't understand how adding more memory is going to fix your performance. It's not like you're spinning up a HDD to swap. What do you regret?
It depends on the amount of tabs you have open. I have 106 tabs open in FF and it takes up RAM. Activity monitor lists it at 3.28gb though.
Chrome has separate processes and fewer tabs on my machine. Still summing them up seems to reach 3gb.
IntellJ takes 6gb on my machine so it's the biggest individual user of RAM.
I think parent post might be exaggerating but I have the 64gb M1 Max.
Re: Alder Lake Core i9 processor is faster than the M1 Max
#2153.5%-5% increase in performance at more than double the wattage, for a chip that is not in consumers hands against a chip that basically hasn't changed and was released 14 months ago~ This is not the victory that the title implies. It's also a _little_ bit funny that the i9 laptop was double the price, given people usually rant loudly about how expensive Apple computers are.
I don’t think this is going to happen, but: It would be extremely funny if Apple strapped a heavy copper heatsink and a turbo fan to an M1 and just overclocked the ever-lasting crap out of it. The crazy thing about using a Macbook Pro (with an M1 Pro or M1 Max CPU) is that, in single-threaded performance, it's really no faster than a dippy little Macbook Air. And at the end of the day, single-thread performance is mo…
They won't overclock it to any major extent; that's not their game and it's not designed to scale to insanity. But word is the cooling system in the new Mac Mini is pretty nice. At the very least I'd expect it to ship with an M1 Max with both neural engines active (the laptops have one disabled for some reason) and wouldn't put it past them throwing in the rumored (and all but confirmed to exist based on what I know about the architecture) M1 Max Duo.
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Overclocking isn't just limited by heat dissipation, and dealing with the additional heat generation is one of the easier issues to overcome. Much more limiting is the fact that the electronic components in the hardware (everything from RAM to the more "integrated" components on the PCBs) have certain amounts of time which they need to take in order to tie voltages high or low, to either read or output a bit. This am…
It's not like Apple would ever do it, but the M1 should have heaps of OC headroom. Given that the RAM is already on package, all they need to do is turn up the CPU multiplier. AMD chips are doing similar clocks to Intel on TSMC N7, so Apple could (but won't) have a chip running way higher than the clocks they are currently shipping with. Also, it's kinda inaccurate to imply any overclocked setup will crash, there's p…
The M1 family already can only sustain 3.2GHz with only one core per cluster active, so there is some bottleneck there, either due to power dissipation/density or power delivery. If the latter, upping the voltage would give you more oomph, but that comes with diminishing returns. I wouldn't expect Apple to give the chips more than a trivial clock bump (3.4?) this generation, if that.
Re: Alder Lake Core i9 processor is faster than the M1 Max
#2173.5%-5% increase in performance at more than double the wattage, for a chip that is not in consumers hands against a chip that basically hasn't changed and was released 14 months ago~ This is not the victory that the title implies. It's also a _little_ bit funny that the i9 laptop was double the price, given people usually rant loudly about how expensive Apple computers are.
Go and try to build your own rig with the M1. I'll wait right here for your report on its performance and power usage. (Not picking on anyone, just annoyed at the incessant power usage comparisons between apples and oranges IMO)
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Apple has an architectural license, which is why they are so insistent on calling them "Apple Silicon" in branding instead of ARM. The only thing the Apple M1 has in common with ARM is the instruction set. The actual core design? Completely Apple. No Cortex X1s or A73s in there. Apple does use the stock ARM M3 in a few places IIRC but that's a very-low-power ~100mhz part for managing some internals. Also, as for who…
Also, for every Android commentator talking about ARM, consider that Apple even named the company "Advanced RISC Machines," because they opposed having the name of a former competitor in there (because it was originally going to be "Acorn RISC Machine"). Apple also provided almost all the funding and initial leadership for the venture, while Acorn supplied most of the engineers and VLSI the silicon tooling.
That's making it sound like Apple had significant design expertise that went into arm. But it was because they didn't have this test they cofounded Arm, because they wanted a processor for the Newton and Acorn had the expertise. Moreover when Steve Jobs came back he sold off all investment in Arm, apple hasnt owned part of arm for a long time.
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#219Somehow I can almost guarantee the M-series will outperform this in real-world usage.
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Also, for every Android commentator talking about ARM, consider that Apple even named the company "Advanced RISC Machines," because they opposed having the name of a former competitor in there (because it was originally going to be "Acorn RISC Machine"). Apple also provided almost all the funding and initial leadership for the venture, while Acorn supplied most of the engineers and VLSI the silicon tooling.
It's touching that you reduce me to "Android commentator", but my point is that Apple has a lot of history to spite with their second-gen chips. Whether or not they're engineering their own cores or decided the name of ARM is irrelevant, they simply haven't proven that they can increase their desktop chip performance without packing more cores onto a die and calling it a day. If they manage to make significant single…
Apple has sold more than two billion devices using custom ARM-based silicone in just the last decade. There's a world of difference between the first ARM-based A4 and the current M1 line of products, which is no less impressive than what Intel or AMD is accomplished in the same period.