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Re: Zim – A Desktop Wiki

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Post by vymague »

auslegung wrote: post #120
vymague wrote: post #79

It's silly. But I want these features in my offline personal wiki: - sortable table like wikipedia's - sortable list and other list manipulation tools from dynalist/worflowy's - automatically adding titles when you copy links of articles/videos/etc. I'd like to think I'm not the only one who mostly uses lists and tables to organize information and notes. Quick googling says org-mode can do the first 2. I tried spacem…

I’ve been using Doom Emacs for over a year. Previously I was using nvim for over a year, then VSCode for a few years. Doom was reasonably easy for me to understand, use, and extend.

I will give Doom Emacs a try. Thanks.

Re: Zim – A Desktop Wiki

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Post by vymague »

rodelrod wrote: post #85
vymague wrote: post #79

It's silly. But I want these features in my offline personal wiki: - sortable table like wikipedia's - sortable list and other list manipulation tools from dynalist/worflowy's - automatically adding titles when you copy links of articles/videos/etc. I'd like to think I'm not the only one who mostly uses lists and tables to organize information and notes. Quick googling says org-mode can do the first 2. I tried spacem…

Org-mode can do number 3 as well: https://github.com/rexim/org-cliplink Can't argue with it being confusing. It takes some effort in the beginning until one day you realize that your mind blended with the machine.

Good to know. Thanks for sharing org-cliplink.

Re: Zim – A Desktop Wiki

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Post by dmarble »

vymague wrote: post #79

It's silly. But I want these features in my offline personal wiki: - sortable table like wikipedia's - sortable list and other list manipulation tools from dynalist/worflowy's - automatically adding titles when you copy links of articles/videos/etc. I'd like to think I'm not the only one who mostly uses lists and tables to organize information and notes. Quick googling says org-mode can do the first 2. I tried spacem…

Obsidian (https://obsidian.md/) + a few plugins (enable on the "Community plugins" page in settings):

- Advanced Tables (handful of features including sort col while in edit mode): https://github.com/tgrosinger/advanced-tables-obsidian

- Sortable (Wikipedia-like col sort for view mode): https://github.com/alexandru-dinu/obsidian-sortable/issues

- Outliner: https://github.com/vslinko/obsidian-outliner

- Auto Link Title: https://github.com/zolrath/obsidian-auto-link-title

For even more fun:

- DataView: https://github.com/blacksmithgu/obsidian-dataview

Re: Zim – A Desktop Wiki

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Post by Naac »

admax88qqq wrote: post #103
Naac wrote: post #31

Once again I'm going to recommend tiddlywiki[0]. It has the hackability of emacs but can run anywhere a browser can ( both online and offline ). And of course, an active community and ecosystem built around it. [0] https://tiddlywiki.com/

Tiddlywiki is neat technology, but the fact that you have to choose a method of saving and are presented with ~13 different options just gives me decision fatigue. I don't care to evaluate which plugin will actually _save_ my data. That's a pretty fundamental operation in my opinion, and the fact that I have to evaluate and choose from one of 13 options does not instill a lot of faith that my data will not be lost.

>> but the fact that you have to choose a method of saving

AFAIK there is a single default. Just use that. If you need more features you can go down that rabbit whole but I think tiddlywiki is very usable without any modifications like you're describing.

Re: Zim – A Desktop Wiki

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Post by vymague »

dmarble wrote: post #133
vymague wrote: post #79

It's silly. But I want these features in my offline personal wiki: - sortable table like wikipedia's - sortable list and other list manipulation tools from dynalist/worflowy's - automatically adding titles when you copy links of articles/videos/etc. I'd like to think I'm not the only one who mostly uses lists and tables to organize information and notes. Quick googling says org-mode can do the first 2. I tried spacem…

Obsidian ( https://obsidian.md/ ) + a few plugins (enable on the "Community plugins" page in settings): - Advanced Tables (handful of features including sort col while in edit mode): https://github.com/tgrosinger/advanced-tables-obsidian - Sortable (Wikipedia-like col sort for view mode): https://github.com/alexandru-dinu/obsidian-sortable/issues - Outliner: https://github.com/vslinko/obsidian-outliner - Auto Link Ti…

I'm pretty sure obsidian can't sort lists. Especially nested multilevel lists. I tried it before and it got too much annoyances without obvious benefits, so I went back to dynalist.

Re: Zim – A Desktop Wiki

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Post by rfreiberger »

isr wrote: post #121
rfreiberger wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've been using Tiddlywiki for my technical notes. Before I was using Evernote and Notion, both would format my code blocks and it was just easier to use Tiddlywiki with a desktop app for saving. But my concern with Tiddlywiki is extracting the data if needed, there was a time when my wiki had some file issues and lucky that I was able to recover without sorting the files manually.

It's been a while since I've actively used tiddlywiki, so I don't have actual code snippets at hand - but extracting "tiddlers" should be the least of your concerns (at least, that was my experience when I used it). Just open the tiddlywiki in your text editor. All your tiddlers are neatly filed away at the bottom. It's that simple. In fact, I had a folding expression in vim which folded everything neatly, and allowe…

Thank you, I wasn't aware it's that easy. I have gotten around the saving issue with the desktop clients, they work decently well. I also love the tree view which many note apps seem to move away from.

Re: Zim – A Desktop Wiki

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Post by jiggunjer »

zild3d wrote: post #125
ibnishak wrote: post #78

It is time to give a shout out to my favorite note taking app: Trilium https://github.com/zadam/trilium Pros: 1. Data is saved in SQlite. I am at 33k notes and it springs open instantaneously. 2. Notes can be arranged into arbitrarily deep tree. Single note can be placed into multiple places in the tree. (Think soft-links) 3. WYSIWYG support (CKEditor) 4. Tags, advanced scripting features 5. Other ususal wiki stuff l…

> Cons: 1. Electron. Sounds like you're happy with the performance though, why a con?

Thats happy enough, despite being electron. I autoreject all electron apps because I don't have a fancy dev/gamer laptop.

Re: Zim – A Desktop Wiki

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Post by trailbits »

roycoding wrote: post #128
therealmarv wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

ha, that's interesting to know. Actually not being able to see or edit my notes on a phone was the dealbreaker for me and the biggest reason I stopped using ZIM and only using a bunch of markdown files nowadays. How happy are you with Markor on the phone? Is it good enough to edit your Zim files on the go or are there any bigger down sites?

I used to edit the Zim markup directly in a very basic text editor, so Markor is a big improvement. It offers syntax highlighting, some menu items for things like formatting, and a preview mode. So not wysiwyg, but still pretty nice. It also allows you to easily create new notes from scratch, which is kindof a pain if you're just using a generic text editor. I do have some issues making nested check box lists (maybe…

Markor looks like a great way to view Zim files on android. Thanks for the tip! But it seems to access note files in the common filesystem space -- which for privacy reasons somewhat defeats why I prefer Zim over cloud-based solutions. Anyone know of a way to use something like Markor and syncthing in an isolated android sandbox? Currently I sftp notes into a termux environment and view/edit with vim, but Markor would be so much better.

Re: Zim – A Desktop Wiki

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Post by jiggunjer »

therealmarv wrote: post #47
roycoding wrote: post #27

I've been using Zim for at least 10 years for notes, todo's, etc. Recently I updated my setup to use syncthing for syncing between my desktop, laptop, and my Android phone. On my phone I use Markor, an open source app that supports the Zim markup format (along with Markdown and some others). I've been pretty happy with this setup.

ha, that's interesting to know. Actually not being able to see or edit my notes on a phone was the dealbreaker for me and the biggest reason I stopped using ZIM and only using a bunch of markdown files nowadays. How happy are you with Markor on the phone? Is it good enough to edit your Zim files on the go or are there any bigger down sites?

I find that no app can make text editing on phone a pleasant experience. Typing replies on chat apps is my limit for phone keyboards.

Re: Zim – A Desktop Wiki

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Post by ibnishak »

zild3d wrote: post #125
ibnishak wrote: post #78

It is time to give a shout out to my favorite note taking app: Trilium https://github.com/zadam/trilium Pros: 1. Data is saved in SQlite. I am at 33k notes and it springs open instantaneously. 2. Notes can be arranged into arbitrarily deep tree. Single note can be placed into multiple places in the tree. (Think soft-links) 3. WYSIWYG support (CKEditor) 4. Tags, advanced scripting features 5. Other ususal wiki stuff l…

> Cons: 1. Electron. Sounds like you're happy with the performance though, why a con?

As a rule, I try to minimize the number of electron applications. Suppose I am reading something in my web browser and want to jot down something. Be it firefox and chrome, the demands on RAM is considerable at this point. An electron note taking app and VSCodium are also usually open side by side. God forbid if I have to open a fourth application and that is also electron, my system will start to mildly grumble. Note here, my system while not exactly a gaming behemoth, ain't no potato either.

I am not blind to the advantages electron brings to a developer. Including electron as a con is in no way a critic of the developer but a expression of disbelief that the developer world has not yet managed to agree upon and popularize a reasonable electron alternative.

PS: Webview hoards memory in linux for some reason.

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