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Alder Lake Core i9 processor is faster than the M1 Max

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Re: Alder Lake Core i9 processor is faster than the M1 Max

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Post by chias »

nielsbot wrote: post #125
chias wrote: post #113

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Overclocking isn't just limited by heat dissipation, and dealing with the additional heat generation is one of the easier issues to overcome. Much more limiting is the fact that the electronic components in the hardware (everything from RAM to the more "integrated" components on the PCBs) have certain amounts of time which they need to take in order to tie voltages high or low, to either read or output a bit. This am…

cryogenic cooling tho?

Wouldn't solve the problem. Basically you need the integrated components to have shorter transition times. These are an inherent property of the component: speeding up the transition time basically means "replace this component with a different component that has a shorter transition time"

Re: Alder Lake Core i9 processor is faster than the M1 Max

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Post by barbacoa »

matthewfcarlson wrote: post #116
barbacoa wrote: post #78

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>3.5%-5% increase in performance at more than double the wattage The 100 watts mentioned in the article is the whole laptop power. Google tells[0] me the power consumption of the i9-12900HK is 45 with boosts up to 86W. Intel's 12th gen i9 is built on 7nm, Apple's M1 max is build on 5nm. Rule of thumb, is about 30% power saving at same performance for a new node. So assuming max performance of M1 Max is 40W and i9-129…

That’s just marketing fluff in terms of measurements. Most agree that in terms of gate size, intel’s 7nm is similar to TSMCs 5nm. So you could say that Intel moving to 5 would give them a 30% boost but the TSMC goes to 3nm.

Intel renamed their nodes, "Intel 7nm" is what they were previously called "Intel 10nm". So the node numbers are now (semi) compatible between Intel and TSMC.

Re: Alder Lake Core i9 processor is faster than the M1 Max

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Post by square_usual »

Gatsky wrote: post #63
victorronin wrote: post #25

I switched about half a year ago from a MacBook Pro with an Intel processor to MacBook Pro with an M1 processor. My overall impression was "when the hell will it run out of power"? I spent the whole working day (without a charger) and it was still at 60%, while I was constantly stressed before when I had to do something without a charger for more than 3-4 hours. I don't care what any test, but tripling battery life w…

I don’t find the same. Chrome seems to eat the battery a lot in my experience.

Yeah, both Chrome and Firefox will easily reduce the battery life of my M1 Pro mac by ~30% compared to Safari. I've "solved" this by sticking to Safari when battery life matters (ex, when I'm not at home) and using FF when I'm docked or close enough to one. With Safari, even my 14" gets ridiculous battery life: I spent almost two continuous days with ~6-8h of SoT each day without charging it once throughout.

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Post by gjsman-1000 »

smoldesu wrote: post #94
wmf wrote: post #74

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Sadly, I don't think the M1 family will clock any higher than it's already going. The rumored M1 Max Duo and M1 Max Quadro will have more cores but they'll still trail Intel in single-thread performance (although not enough for most people to notice).

Precisely. ARM has traditionally had issues scaling it's clock speed even when given ample cooling and power, history suggests that the only way they'll significantly improve performance is with new fab technology, engineering a better design, or expanding horizontally (eg. adding more cores).

Apple has an architectural license, which is why they are so insistent on calling them "Apple Silicon" in branding instead of ARM.

The only thing the Apple M1 has in common with ARM is the instruction set. The actual core design? Completely Apple. No Cortex X1s or A73s in there. Apple does use the stock ARM M3 in a few places IIRC but that's a very-low-power ~100mhz part for managing some internals.

Also, as for who can push the limits of ARM, Apple appears to know ARM better than ARM knows themselves. Both based on Apple's higher-performing core designs than ARM stock, and also because Apple cofounded ARM with VLSI and Acorn, and an Apple VP was the first CEO.

Edit: On that note, it's kind of ironic how every Android phone has the DNA of a company Apple cofounded and initially led.

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Post by neogodless »

MBCook wrote: post #109
neogodless wrote: post #101

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> Is the non-Apple world really fine with stagnant resolutions? Exactly one specific version of one exact laptop has 1080p, and you jump to that conclusion? You are missing 99.999% of the picture here!

It’s one laptop. But it’s not a $350 laptop. It’s $4000. It has the top of the line Intel chip and (what I believe) is the top of the line GPU out now. If any laptop was going to have a good screen I’d think it was this one. Nope. $1100 Air has a better screen.

> If any laptop was going to have a good screen I’d think it was this one.

Well no... they put a very fast (high refresh) gaming screen in a gaming laptop.

If you want QHD or 4K screens, they are out there. That's not... more than a Google away. So it's a really bad assumption to make.

Here, first google result for "Intel 4K laptop", it's $1500.

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/asus-zenbook-flip-15-q538ei-15-...

Your faulty logic was disproved.

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Post by wmf »

bob29 wrote: post #110
na85 wrote: post #82

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The power consumption is a critical issue on a laptop, unless you're one of those laptop users that never works on battery in which case you could get a lot more bang for your buck with a desktop.

LISTEN YOU GEN Z PUNK, YOU DONT KNOW ABOU TTHE REAL TIK TOK https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tick%E2%80%93tock_model

Too bad Intel dropped the tick-tock model years ago.

Re: Alder Lake Core i9 processor is faster than the M1 Max

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Post by nkellenicki »

filmgirlcw wrote: post #117
nkellenicki wrote: post #92

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I bought my 2013 MacBook Pro with a 1TB SSD and 32GB of RAM, with the highest specced i7 at the time. I sold it last month to pick up a new 2021 MacBook Pro M1 Max. I bought it with 32GB RAM and a 1TB SSD because I don't need anymore, 8 years later. And the i7 I had still beat out last years base model on Geekbench.

Not to take anything away from how long you got to use your computer, but you couldn’t get 32GB of RAM in an Apple laptop until 2018. You likely had 16GB of RAM in 2013 if you had a 15” retina MacBook Pro.

You're correct, just checked my receipt, it was 16GB. I upped it to 32GB with my new laptop.

Re: Alder Lake Core i9 processor is faster than the M1 Max

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Post by skavi »

MBCook wrote: post #52
p1necone wrote: post #23

A lot of people are misinterpreting the results here (understandably, the article is pretty bad). They're benchmarking the CPU, but measuring the power draw of a whole laptop - including a dedicated 3080ti GPU which will still be drawing a decent amount of power even at idle. This benchmark is useful for measuring the speed and power draw of /this specific laptop/ vs an m1 MacBook, but not so much this new i9 in gene…

I’m guessing this is the first laptop Anandtech could get their hands on with this new chip. That said I’ve been out of the PC space for quite a while. Do mobile discrete GPUs greatly draw much power when mostly idle (such as general desktop work)? Did others give up on switching the discrete GPU on and off a needed as Apple used to do (and gave up on IIRC)?

Based on The Verge's article, this is the laptop that Intel is providing to everyone.
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