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Building a Fashion Company on the Internet? Stop. Just stop.

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Re: Building a Fashion Company on the Internet? Stop. Just stop.

#11
"In the end, Fashion 2.0 is really not that much different than Fashion 1.0, in order to win, one must focus intently on building a better product that solves a real problem – you know, just like every other successful business in the world…."

So true. People are so focused on 'social' that they are ignoring the real problems.

Re: Building a Fashion Company on the Internet? Stop. Just stop.

#13
The start-up I am contracting for is in a similar business (homeware and interior design) and has recently made the same decision to shift focus from a low margin, high volume affiliate model to a low volume, high margin "boutique" model. Curious to see how it pans out.

Re: Building a Fashion Company on the Internet? Stop. Just stop.

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post #3

Not really a well thought out article. Here's why - 1) Why should anyone care about solving the problems that the writer of this article wants to see solved? 2) She fixates on the 3-8% that affiliate sites make without considering a few things: a) Sites make that regardless of where the user actually buys. So if someone comes to your site and decides to buy a jacket you make money whether they buy it from Retailer A…

You may want to give her more credit. She did a fashion startup for a few years.

About the 3-8% affiliate fees, that's not a viable business model. You would have to deliver north of 15M dollars to get 1M dollars. Assuming the average ticket is $150, you need 100,000 conversion. The average internet conversion rate is 3%. So you need 3M uniques. That is not very easy to get. Even if you are buying it.

Re: Building a Fashion Company on the Internet? Stop. Just stop.

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post #3

Not really a well thought out article. Here's why - 1) Why should anyone care about solving the problems that the writer of this article wants to see solved? 2) She fixates on the 3-8% that affiliate sites make without considering a few things: a) Sites make that regardless of where the user actually buys. So if someone comes to your site and decides to buy a jacket you make money whether they buy it from Retailer A…

Yes, fashion is a huge industry in the US, and you can make a ton of money in the market. By just being a middleman, you're looking at margins in the 10% region. Enough to build a business, but not a game-changer. If you target production and supply-chain problems, which are far harder, then you can build a business with margins north of 40%. Not only that, but because you've solved some seriously hard problems, you'…

I don't think the people going in to fashion start ups are going in to them to make large profits. It seems to me they are motivated by wanting creative control over some product or line of products and this is just another way to go about doing that.

Re: Building a Fashion Company on the Internet? Stop. Just stop.

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post #3

Not really a well thought out article. Here's why - 1) Why should anyone care about solving the problems that the writer of this article wants to see solved? 2) She fixates on the 3-8% that affiliate sites make without considering a few things: a) Sites make that regardless of where the user actually buys. So if someone comes to your site and decides to buy a jacket you make money whether they buy it from Retailer A…

You may want to give her more credit. She did a fashion startup for a few years. About the 3-8% affiliate fees, that's not a viable business model. You would have to deliver north of 15M dollars to get 1M dollars. Assuming the average ticket is $150, you need 100,000 conversion. The average internet conversion rate is 3%. So you need 3M uniques. That is not very easy to get. Even if you are buying it.

We got 30-40% on each sale. Not sure it's a US issue - in Europe it's 30%+.

Re: Building a Fashion Company on the Internet? Stop. Just stop.

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So, I'm going to toot my own horn here, because this article is extremely well timed. (Note: her site is down now, thanks HN! :P) This line of reasoning is exactly why we decided at Everlane to start manufacturing our own apparel. You just don't capture enough of the value if you exist as a pure discovery layer unless you (somehow) get everyone and their uncle visiting you, looking to purchase, i.e., Google. The inte…

Jesse, Interesting approach, who are YOUR target customers though? What is their shopping profile? I signed up out of curiosity, but never spend $120 on a shirt (I do spend $75 maybe on a dress shirt). I'm not in fashion, just a fan of e-business in general.

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post #8

"In fashion, trust me, that are MANY problems that need to be solved: a highly antiquated supply chain, non-standard, un-linked computer systems, non-standard sizing that varies even within the same line, inefficient pricing methods." I don't see why internet fashion companies couldn't take a crack at solving / mitigating at least some of these. For example, there are some sites (like zafu.com - no affiliation) that…

I was actually discussing this very point with a good friend of mine who also runs a fashion startup the other day.

To refine what I said: it's not that discoverability is not a problem, it's that all of the new fashion apps (from Lyst to Fashism to Inporia to Svpply to Google Boutiques) seem to have only increased the "noise" versus decrease it. In fashion, customers pay for the edit: a small, curated collection of products that an editor has determined best fits her customer's profile. To argue that we can somehow replace this very right-brained activity with crowdsourcing or algorithms is untenable.

Re: Building a Fashion Company on the Internet? Stop. Just stop.

#19
This is a good read, and the author hits on some solid observations about the online apparel industry.

That said, I am shocked about the claim that a single VC has funded an apparel retailer recently. I am in this industry, and I can assure you that it is about as unsexy as one could get from a VC perspective.

I would love to know who all these recently funded apparel businesses are.

Re: Building a Fashion Company on the Internet? Stop. Just stop.

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post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You may want to give her more credit. She did a fashion startup for a few years. About the 3-8% affiliate fees, that's not a viable business model. You would have to deliver north of 15M dollars to get 1M dollars. Assuming the average ticket is $150, you need 100,000 conversion. The average internet conversion rate is 3%. So you need 3M uniques. That is not very easy to get. Even if you are buying it.

We got 30-40% on each sale. Not sure it's a US issue - in Europe it's 30%+.

Reality from my perspective is somewhere in the middle. We pay between 10 and 15 percent.
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