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Facebook's Newest Problem: Being Boring

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Re: Facebook's Newest Problem: Being Boring

#11
Boring isn't bad - for me. My yahoo email address still works and Facebook still serves more or less the same purpose.

Like Yahoo, Facebook has accumulated a large base of average users. These are the people who aren't early adopters, who aren't concerned with "vision" and who dig in their heels against change.

Facebook has the choice to alienate these folks by adding "new exciting features" or keep these folks and stay what it is. Whatever "vision" is involved, Facebook will likely make a choice halfway between these results and wind-up satisfying no one and so indeed sink to the "status" of Yahoo.

But it seems like this whole process comes because "boringness" makes operators no money even when serves end-users purposes perfectly. Look at craiglist - the most boring, most successful-at-fulfilling-a-need and the least-profitable-relative-to-traffic commercial website in the world.

Re: Facebook's Newest Problem: Being Boring

#12
This author claims that "lax patent laws on the web" allow Facebook to copy features from Twitter and Google, but the article he cites (by Farhad Manjoo on Slate) doesn't ascribe this to patent laws so much as the behavior of these particular companies.

Mentioning "lax patent laws" seems misleading, or am I missing something here?

Re: Facebook's Newest Problem: Being Boring

#13

Facebook jumped the shark when all those horrible, ugly apps started polluting the thing with idiocy. The editorial incompetence and general awfulness of the ecosystem was astonishing. Farmville was the end of the beginning of the end. In 2004, Facebook wasn't garbage. It was simple, it served a purpose very well. It changed the social experience of being in college, a sharp contrast against "social" today which is l…

> Facebook jumped the shark when all those horrible, ugly apps started polluting the thing with idiocy.

Flickr and MySpace come to mind, too.

Generally, don't let a user pollute other users' posts/streams/walls with ugly invitations, apps, or animated glitter.

Many people have no taste or lack the ability to judiciously use such features. If you let them, your site will quickly become garbage.

Re: Facebook's Newest Problem: Being Boring

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On joining my company last year, one of the first things I heard my boss tell me was that we were aiming to be boring

Getting nearly a billion users, being one of the most influential companies in the world and not being exciting enough for tech pundits is an awesome problem to have.

Re: Facebook's Newest Problem: Being Boring

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post #8

Yeah I think its doomed, too. I mean just look at it. Everybody and their dog is on Facebook, with status updates and comments quickly approaching the niveau of Youtube comments. Meanwhile marketing firms are vigorously trying to get as much attention as possible in more or less shady ways, which is getting increasingly annoying. A large portion of the userbase is so annoyed, bored or has serious privacy concerns, th…

The main reason a lot of people are much more happier with Google+ and Twitter nowadays is not because some features are marginally better - it's because the atmosphere is so much nicer there.

Let's put some numbers around this interesting statement. Are there really a lot of people who find the atmosphere on Twitter much nicer than the atmosphere on Facebook? How about Google Plus? How many people find its atmosphere much nicer than the atmosphere on Facebook? And for the most important numbers, how much revenue is each of those companies gaining from the people who like each company's atmosphere best?

P.S. I like Facebook very well indeed, because my international network of friends is largely all there. I use Facebook much like a social linking service (not too differently from how I use HN), posting links I find interesting to invite comments from friends, and posting comments in threads about links posted by other people. The intellectual tone of the discussions I encounter on Facebook is very high--although that surely mostly has to do with how I met many of my friends. We (all my various friends and I) devote time and effort to cultivating a respectful atmosphere of people expressing frequently wildly varying opinions, as long as everyone is civil and everyone is encouraged to look up facts. That's like being invited to graduate seminars (a real-life experience I have had) on interesting subjects at any hour of the day that is convenient for me. As long as Facebook can monetize enough, somehow, to allow people like me who don't give it money (but arguably do give it content) to meet one another there, Facebook will be part of my life for a long time. After all, my FRIENDS are there.

After edit: regarding the comment elsewhere in this thread about the submitted article,

This is a poorly researched article that takes a few anecdotes

I can't say I necessarily disagree, but note for the record that most blog posts are poorly researched and mostly based on anecdotes. In actual fact, on HN poorly researched blog posts tend to be much more upvoted as new submissions than professionally written research articles. It's a rare case when a general readership of a website (e.g., HN's readership) prefers discussing careful research to discussing a few anecdotes.

Another comment asks,

Are people excited by search?

I was very excited by Google when it first became available. (I discovered Google before it was publicly announced, by noticing what search engines were spidering my personal website back in the 1990s.) Google's results were so plainly superior to those of Excite, Lycos, and even AltaVista (my previous favorite search engine) that I soon told all my friends about Google. Search results that turn up reliable, accurate, readable links are always a pleasure. The way to do better at search than Google does would be to somehow serve up better results more consistently--that would be exciting, if it is possible.

Re: Facebook's Newest Problem: Being Boring

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post #6

I don't buy it. Before anything else, Yahoo was a combination search engine and indexer. Google trounced them. There was just no way they could continue to compete. So then they branched out into becoming a "media company," and lost all direction. There is nothing they excel at. Until someone is a better social networking site than Facebook, they are in no danger of "becoming Yahoo." And I don't think that's going to…

I agree with your assessment of the curent Social Media's state of affairs. Facebook is here to stay. Well for “ever” is a taboo word that I would never use (not just in tech nowadays), but I think that their user base will ensure sufficient longevity in tech years (which is akin to dog years).

I believe that Facebook will keep being somewhat interesting by default due to their alluring ecosystem and viral potential for future entrepreneurs. Most new Apps are built with a clear strategy of broadcasting itself (and showing some of its features) through Facebook feeds. These new Apps have made peoples feeds a lot more interesting. I think Instagram is a good example of this. It made your friends amateur photos much cooler and aesthetically pleasing to look at; thus drawing you to a more interesting Facebook experience.

Their strength lies in their ecosystem and ability to let their users and developers easily create and share content. They have more or less nailed this down already (along with a revenue sharing system to sustain some of their infrastructure costs). At the end of the day, even if they stopped innovating, they’ve done such a fantastic play with their infrastructure, that it ensures that they remain interesting as long as new entrepreneurs keep developing Apps that enhance their ecosystem.

If anything, I think their need to copy and catch up with new breakthroughs from other social networks (i.e. Google+, Foursquare and Twitter) is actually making their product more convoluted and less appealing. Less is more in Facebook’s case. That was the genius of Facebook from day 1. You could strip down Facebook to probably 5 core features and it would still remain relevant and interesting because of others ability (developers and friends) urge to create and share.

Re: Facebook's Newest Problem: Being Boring

#17
I think Facebook being more exciting would actually hurt them, from what I have seen people generally have a lower opinion of Facebook because of new features, not because of lack of features.

I think they have leant a bit on this front, the subscribe and the enhanced lists are there for those that want them but try to stay as far out of the way as possible for the general crowd who would dislike them being forced in as a key component.

What I look forward to is a proper rollout of credits, I think at the moment Facebook apps appear similar to me to a lot of the free apps on the app store, of questionable quality and loaded with ads. Once there is an easier path for developers to monetise apps (and probably improvements in the process of making an app docs and stable api wise) I think we will see more quality, useful things popping up.

Re: Facebook's Newest Problem: Being Boring

#19

Facebook jumped the shark when all those horrible, ugly apps started polluting the thing with idiocy. The editorial incompetence and general awfulness of the ecosystem was astonishing. Farmville was the end of the beginning of the end. In 2004, Facebook wasn't garbage. It was simple, it served a purpose very well. It changed the social experience of being in college, a sharp contrast against "social" today which is l…

> Facebook jumped the shark when all those horrible, ugly apps started polluting the thing with idiocy. Flickr and MySpace come to mind, too. Generally, don't let a user pollute other users' posts/streams/walls with ugly invitations, apps, or animated glitter. Many people have no taste or lack the ability to judiciously use such features. If you let them, your site will quickly become garbage.

I've fixed this long ago. Block all crap from Farmville, Mafia Wars, etc and goodbye spam.
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