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Re: Quebec bans unvaccinated from buying groceries at Walmart, Costco

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Post by SSilver2k2 »

Flankk wrote: post #53
bryanlarsen wrote: post #5

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The Quebec government's major concern is protecting their health care system. The Canadian health care system was quite stretched pre-pandemic, and it wouldn't take much to break it. The goal at this point is less about preventing the spread than it is about increasing the vaccination rate to keep people out of hospitals.

Why are hospitals stretched thin? Nurses have quit, have been fired due to mandates, and have been prevented from returning to work due to infection. You need a passport to eat in a restaurant here. There are 30,000 pissed off truckers headed to Ottawa right now. They lost their jobs due to mandates. Your argument is that these things are smart decisions?

The needs of the many. Get the vaccine. It's safe and allows you to be part of society again.

Re: Quebec bans unvaccinated from buying groceries at Walmart, Costco

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Post by 34679 »

myko wrote: post #57
34679 wrote: post #50

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This is false. I challenge anyone to find any statement, from any of the mRNA vaccine manufacturers, from any point in time, that claims the vaccines reduce transmission even a tiny bit.

https://twitter.com/JohnsHopkinsSPH/status/14816875061481185... https://www.healthline.com/health-news/vaccinated-people-can... It is well known that vaccination helps to reduce spread. It isn't perfect, but it is better than being unvaccinated. The data is clear but you can also reason about this and feel like it is intuitively true - those that are vaccinated face better outcomes and are sick for shorter periods of…

If the vaccines reduce spread, the manufacturers would say so. I asked for such a claim from any one of them.

Edit:

>multiple studies by scientists in different countries is more reliable than marketing text from any specific manufacturer.

I agree. The problem is, no such marketing text exists.

Re: Quebec bans unvaccinated from buying groceries at Walmart, Costco

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Post by xboxnolifes »

loceng wrote: post #67
xboxnolifes wrote: post #41

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Companies just need to follow laws, they don't need an opinion on everything.

Hopefully then the companies are just as willing to pay fines for following illegal rules put in place without following the parliamentary process.

What does an illegal rule (law) even mean? I'm an American so maybe I'm missing something from another country, but the two are one and the same as far as I know. If I needed to start making judgement calls on every law on whether it's illegal or not, that would be a wild way to live.

Re: Quebec bans unvaccinated from buying groceries at Walmart, Costco

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Post by bantha_poodoo »

34679 wrote: post #50
space_fountain wrote: post #21

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Covid vaccines did do a decent job at preventing spread in the original variants, and actually even now (unless I'm mistaken, it's hard to entirely keep up) the vaccines still cut the probability of you being infected at any point in time

This is false. I challenge anyone to find any statement, from any of the mRNA vaccine manufacturers, from any point in time, that claims the vaccines reduce transmission even a tiny bit.

First google result: https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2116597

If you recover quicker, cough less, it'll obviously reduce transmission.

Re: Quebec bans unvaccinated from buying groceries at Walmart, Costco

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Post by xboxnolifes »

daenz wrote: post #62
xboxnolifes wrote: post #41

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Companies just need to follow laws, they don't need an opinion on everything.

Will you maintain that position when you find that a company upholds a horrifying law?

If they follow and law because it's the law, yes. My anger would be toward the government or my peers. I live in a democratic society last time I checked, even if it doesn't always move how I would like.

Re: Quebec bans unvaccinated from buying groceries at Walmart, Costco

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Post by Tiktaalik »

loceng wrote: post #43
disambiguation wrote: post #42

https://www.quebec.ca/en/health/health-issues/a-z/2019-coron... The most recent data on the evolution of COVID-19, in the last 24 hours, in Québec show: 4,150 new cases, bringing the total number of people infected to 845,564*; 73 new deaths, for a total of 13,009 deaths; 3,270 hospitalizations, for a decrease of 8 compared to the previous day; 297 new entries, 305 new discharges; 252 people in intensive care, for a…

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suicides are way down. just stop.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-suicides-in-c...

Re: Quebec bans unvaccinated from buying groceries at Walmart, Costco

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Post by belval »

0x_rs wrote: post #59

This is a state fighting its own citizens for a political act of ignorance. 90% of eligible individuals have received at least one dose in Quebec.[0] What's the point of additional marginalization of a very stubborn group of people? It's playing with fire and with no responsibilities, as I severely doubt anyone will be convinced to get vaccinated because they can't go to Walmart after one year of restrictions, but it…

Not sure if you're from Quebec so this wouldn't be news to you, but our healthcare is BAD. Like comically bad. Nurses are routinely forced to do doubles because they don't have enough staff, hell we don't even have enough beds either! Because of COVID a lot of non-critical but still pretty important procedures were cancelled for lack of workers.

So in that context the government is legitimately scared of it all crashing down so we get these policies.

For the more data driven among us here is a chart showing what I mean: https://i.redd.it/l76rbcvkl0e81.jpg (In french but you will probably still understand)

Re: Quebec bans unvaccinated from buying groceries at Walmart, Costco

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Post by gpm »

daenz wrote: post #62
xboxnolifes wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Companies just need to follow laws, they don't need an opinion on everything.

Will you maintain that position when you find that a company upholds a horrifying law?

There's a difference between the statement "don't need an opinion on everything" and "don't need an opinion on anything". Your criticism would only apply to the latter statement.

Re: Quebec bans unvaccinated from buying groceries at Walmart, Costco

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Post by muizelaar »

rastignack wrote: post #56
WaylonKenning wrote: post #26

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As someone who lived in Canada, lives next to Australia, and lives in New Zealand, I wouldn't suggest any of these places are 'devolving into police states'. Having people do stuff to protect the safety of themselves and others is part of the social contract of these countries. We wear seatbelts. We wear helmets on Motorbikes. All things that restrict our freedom to damage ourselves. Because who incurs the cost of wh…

> Having people do stuff to protect the safety of themselves and others is part of the social contract of these countries. Are smokers and alcohol consumers also targeted by these social credit type measures in those states ?

Yes, cigarettes and alcohol are taxed specifically by the state.
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