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Re: Quebec bans unvaccinated from buying groceries at Walmart, Costco

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The UK, Denmark and others moving to get rid of ALL restrictions. Meanwhile Canada, Australia and others devolving into police states... Edit - forgot some other countries. Netherlands, Ireland also ditching restrictions...

The tyranny of having these items delivered directly to your doorstep...

Re: Quebec bans unvaccinated from buying groceries at Walmart, Costco

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post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The UK is only doing that because the PM has been so fragile because he's screwed up covid related things for so long he needs the backbenchers. They're also super desperate because they left the European Union and that is also having a terrible effect on the economy. Copying the UK is not a clever idea.

So why is Denmark opening up completely? Like no vaccine passport, nothing?

> Although it no longer believes Covid-19 should be classed a critical threat to society, some measures to limit transmission are still beneficial, it said.

Is quote I found while looking into this. It seems like they're not opening up completely, they're just removing a bunch of rules. There is still talk of large events possibly needing proof of vacination.

This information is super new and what actually happens and how they actually do it is yet to be fully confirmed as far as I can tell.

Edit: Also important they have 77 people in ICU in the entire country. Where as Berlin alone has 186.

Re: Quebec bans unvaccinated from buying groceries at Walmart, Costco

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

And overweight people make up to 65% of those. See a dark pattern here ?

Obesity is a multifactorial societal problem with possible environmental and chemical factors, while covid can be vaccinated against with a simple jab.

If you look in to the mechanics of why people are refusing the simple jab, you'll find just as many complex societal factors, or maybe even more. Being unrelated to environmental or chemical factors if anything makes it more intractable.

Re: Quebec bans unvaccinated from buying groceries at Walmart, Costco

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The UK, Denmark and others moving to get rid of ALL restrictions. Meanwhile Canada, Australia and others devolving into police states... Edit - forgot some other countries. Netherlands, Ireland also ditching restrictions...

As someone who lived in Canada, lives next to Australia, and lives in New Zealand, I wouldn't suggest any of these places are 'devolving into police states'. Having people do stuff to protect the safety of themselves and others is part of the social contract of these countries. We wear seatbelts. We wear helmets on Motorbikes. All things that restrict our freedom to damage ourselves. Because who incurs the cost of wh…

Would you accept people being able to shop if they can demonstrate they have anti-bodies / natural immunity?

Re: Quebec bans unvaccinated from buying groceries at Walmart, Costco

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The UK, Denmark and others moving to get rid of ALL restrictions. Meanwhile Canada, Australia and others devolving into police states... Edit - forgot some other countries. Netherlands, Ireland also ditching restrictions...

Not a police state to put in more restrictions after the bare minimum hasn't worked or been followed.

What does "worked" mean? Illness and risk lower, or simply people following orders? People have lost sight of the former after unrelenting emphasis on the latter.

It's time to turn critical thinking skills back on.

Re: Quebec bans unvaccinated from buying groceries at Walmart, Costco

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The public policy responses to this pandemic would make a whole lot more sense if intramuscular (humoral) vaccination actually prevented (or even significantly mitigated) the spread of sars-cov-2. Unfortunately humoral vaccination only starts the B cell to plasma cells training and generation of igG antibodies in the body serum to protect internal organs. Other immune compartments like the upper respiratory mucosa ar…

Quebec has a heavily socialized medical system. 10% of the population is unvaccinated, but make up >50% of COVID beds in hopitals, a significant fraction of the *entire medical system*. At some point the other 90% of taxpayers shouldn't subsidized the stupid decisions of the remaining 10%. I'm not saying banning grocery store access is necessarily it, but something needs to be done

This comment is red meat for M4A opponents. Socialized healthcare should not be an excuse for increasing invasive government mandates or restrictions.

Re: Quebec bans unvaccinated from buying groceries at Walmart, Costco

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The public policy responses to this pandemic would make a whole lot more sense if intramuscular (humoral) vaccination actually prevented (or even significantly mitigated) the spread of sars-cov-2. Unfortunately humoral vaccination only starts the B cell to plasma cells training and generation of igG antibodies in the body serum to protect internal organs. Other immune compartments like the upper respiratory mucosa ar…

Quebec has a heavily socialized medical system. 10% of the population is unvaccinated, but make up >50% of COVID beds in hopitals, a significant fraction of the *entire medical system*. At some point the other 90% of taxpayers shouldn't subsidized the stupid decisions of the remaining 10%. I'm not saying banning grocery store access is necessarily it, but something needs to be done

This is a really difficult question:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/pandemic-covid-vaccine-tria...

Re: Quebec bans unvaccinated from buying groceries at Walmart, Costco

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post #4

The UK, Denmark and others moving to get rid of ALL restrictions. Meanwhile Canada, Australia and others devolving into police states... Edit - forgot some other countries. Netherlands, Ireland also ditching restrictions...

The UK is only doing that because the PM has been so fragile because he's screwed up covid related things for so long he needs the backbenchers. They're also super desperate because they left the European Union and that is also having a terrible effect on the economy. Copying the UK is not a clever idea.

From UK. Can confirm. If you can’t serve as a exemplar, serve as an example. Well that’s how it feels living here anyway.

Re: Quebec bans unvaccinated from buying groceries at Walmart, Costco

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Creating a competitive advantage for non-big box stores? This is an incredibly odd policy.

Most of the provinces have been engaged in pandemic response theater. The core issue is hospital capacity, and the provinces across the board have failed to improve or address the issues in their healthcare systems.

Quebec has adopted a particularly theatrical set of of responses (curfews, this latest insistence on vaccine "passports" for stores), but I don't think anyone really expects these to be anything more than theater and moves for public appeasement.

Re: Quebec bans unvaccinated from buying groceries at Walmart, Costco

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post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The UK is only doing that because the PM has been so fragile because he's screwed up covid related things for so long he needs the backbenchers. They're also super desperate because they left the European Union and that is also having a terrible effect on the economy. Copying the UK is not a clever idea.

So why is Denmark opening up completely? Like no vaccine passport, nothing?

The argument is that since the vaccination rate is so high and the effect of omicron is considered mild, the outcomes are not no longer considered server enough to qualify for general restrictions.

There will still be targeted restrictions, such as in the elder care. Time will tell if that will be enough and if the health care system will manage.

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