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Re: The window to deploy surveillance-resistant systems is running out

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Post by moonshinefe »

CameronNemo wrote: post #170
throwawaygh wrote: post #158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> My bank has made it (almost) impossible to make payments without a phone, btw My bank has several buildings full of people, all within driving distance of my house. Any of those people will happily accept a stack of paper bills. If you don't want to use digital forms of payment, why on earth are you using a bank that doesn't have physical branches located near your home?

Any of those people will happily accept a stack of paper bills. Have you actually tried depositing large amounts of cash on a regular basis? Sounds like a good way to get your account flagged and suspended. Not to mention the Treasury's seeming animosity toward cash as an instrument of payment.

This might be a generational thing.

But yes, you can go into banks and deposit money (even frequently, and in reasonably large amounts).

The flagging and suspending stuff is more what I'd be wary of using paypal or something similar, not an actual bank.

Re: The window to deploy surveillance-resistant systems is running out

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Post by avgcorrection »

jaywalk wrote: post #96
avgcorrection wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know that it wasn’t the “anxieties and neuroses of society” that controlled the COVID-related policy decisions. Only a fool would think that.

Well, the “anxieties and neuroses of society” are the only reason we're still forced to wear cloth masks in certain places, so...

God, all these ellipsis and references to vague fears is tiring.

The pandemic didn’t turn out to be a bogeyman that had no impact. Oh shucks—just a common cold after. But I guess that’s too “blue pill” of me to say.

Re: The window to deploy surveillance-resistant systems is running out

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Post by giantg2 »

throwawaygh wrote: post #185
CameronNemo wrote: post #170

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Any of those people will happily accept a stack of paper bills. Have you actually tried depositing large amounts of cash on a regular basis? Sounds like a good way to get your account flagged and suspended. Not to mention the Treasury's seeming animosity toward cash as an instrument of payment.

> Have you actually tried depositing large amounts of cash on a regular basis? Sounds like a good way to get your account flagged and suspended. 1. OP said "make payments", not "receive money". Literally no one is going to give a shit if you make your mortgage or car payment in cash. 2. LOL, yes, I deposit cash all the time, including a quite large sum at least twice a year (charity events). Cash-based businesses are…

"Literally no one is going to give a shit if you make your mortgage or car payment in cash."

Are you sure? To get a mortgage they check the source of your down payment and it cannot be cash. Seems odd if they don't also check source for payments.

Re: The window to deploy surveillance-resistant systems is running out

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Post by vanusa »

toss1 wrote: post #167
vanusa wrote: post #45

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Specifics needed on (a) please.

They don't require you buy the device - they merely require apps that run on the device to do certain necessary things, such as drive a motor vehicle, enter certain buildings, use public transportation, etc. The migration to "Oh we now have mobile enabled -- X" is already happening, with "X" being boarding pass, driver's license, building pass, payment method, etc. First, it's a convenience, then it becomes a require…

Since when was an app required to drive a car?

Certain new models, maybe. Certain rental cars, maybe. But in the general case?

And where in the world is one required to run an app to use public transportation?

I just don't find this factual distortion from "could happen, might happen" to "is in the process of happening right now" to be very helpful.

Re: The window to deploy surveillance-resistant systems is running out

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Post by toss1 »

rvense wrote: post #199
toss1 wrote: post #175

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Because he is their agent. Remember Russia has been the undisputed world champion of dezinformatsiya for centuries - they did a good job of making him appear as the "disgruntled principled whistleblower" they wanted. But most of the stuff he stole had little to do with the NSA activities they publicized, and much to do with key intelligence damage to the USA, including likely loss of lives. That's not protest, it's t…

This doesn't make sense. It's very obvious when you look at his movements in 2013 that Snowden did not want to end up in Russia, and there is absolutely nothing that links him to Russia prior to his revelations.

Look more closely. That's what I thought at first. Read what people who were actually in the intelligence agencies said.

Re: The window to deploy surveillance-resistant systems is running out

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Post by Tyr42 »

throwawaygh wrote: post #177
zwkrt wrote: post #168

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When authoritarianism comes around, it wont just be surveiling. An a11n regime needs the buy-in of private leadership because the goal is to turn the state into an all-encompasing master of peoples lives, and work is a large part of peoples lives (especially in an a11n regime!) Whether or not the state can surveil is a moot point if the owners of the tech are in on the game.

> a11n I'm not sure what this means, assuming weird auto-correct from authoritarian? > An a11n regime needs the buy-in of private leadership because... Only if that leadership is necessary to seize or hold power. An authoritarian regime in the US would not need buy-in from major tech companies.

They don't want to type the letters in the middle, so they dropped them and put a count of how many letters were dropped. I'm mostly familiar with a11y meaning accessibility.

Re: The window to deploy surveillance-resistant systems is running out

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Post by toss1 »

oooooooooooow wrote: post #197
toss1 wrote: post #175

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because he is their agent. Remember Russia has been the undisputed world champion of dezinformatsiya for centuries - they did a good job of making him appear as the "disgruntled principled whistleblower" they wanted. But most of the stuff he stole had little to do with the NSA activities they publicized, and much to do with key intelligence damage to the USA, including likely loss of lives. That's not protest, it's t…

>Remember Russia has been the undisputed world champion of dezinformatsiya for centuries My friend, you seem to have mispelled United States of America

Sure, correlates nicely (NOT) with the Russians having a word for it before it appeared in French or English [0]

[0] https://www.etymonline.com/word/disinformation

Re: The window to deploy surveillance-resistant systems is running out

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Post by choeger »

3pt14159 wrote: post #187
foxfluff wrote: post #151

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Did you try running banking apps on the PinePhone? My bank has made it (almost) impossible to make payments without a phone, btw. Either you need to receive SMS messages or use their proprietary app. I could receive SMS messages without a phone but I would expect this to be a solution that eventually gives me more trouble than it's worth.

My bank has a mobile friendly website? I'm sure it would work on PinePhone. Either way, this is goalpost moving. I don't even need to own a bank account. OP said government.

In Germany, you indeed need to have a bank account to pay your Rundfunkgebühren.

Re: The window to deploy surveillance-resistant systems is running out

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Post by digisign »

vanusa wrote: post #200
digisign wrote: post #191

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It's a looking-forward statement... projecting current trends 5-10 years in the future. More likely will be a de-facto requirement to participate in society rather than a law. As I mentioned in another comment, many private companies are already requiring it.

Okay, so not in the present tense, like the commenter indicated. And not like actually "legally".

Yes, first line says this:

    We are right now in the process of…
"Legally" part looks like a stretch goal to me, however.
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