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UBS Acquires Wealthfront for $1.4B

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Re: UBS Acquires Wealthfront for $1.4B

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A lot of you likely invest in a boglehead style. Wealthfront was an attempt to automate that while adding some bells and whistles on top; tax loss harvesting, smart beta, etc. Curious to see how they succeed as part of UBS. I thought Marcus/Goldman was going to buy them personally, so a bit surprised UBS is getting in on this game.

Did anyone get any real beta out of it for a sustainable period?

beta is correlation to the market (usually refers to SPY correlation). Not sure what you're saying.

Re: UBS Acquires Wealthfront for $1.4B

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Anyone know of any other product offer that will take excess after direct deposit and invest it for you? I've called Fidelity and Betterment and both do not offer an automated way like wealthfront does. Really sad to see wealthfront being the only player in that space. Edit: by automated I mean something like "everything over $10k after bills, invest". It takes a couple of clicks per month manually, but it's been pre…

Maybe I'm misunderstanding, but nearly every bank I've ever used offers this feature. I currently have auto-transfers and auto-investments set up in Fidelity. If you receive a paycheck, you can easily set up Fidelity so that it automatically transfers $xxxx dollars per month to whatever account you like. You can also set up each account to automatically purchase $xxxx dollars worth of whatever equity you want.

Yeah you're saying x dollars instead of y dollars over z amount. It's a trivial calculation but it's really convenient

Re: UBS Acquires Wealthfront for $1.4B

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The tax savings I get from them is much more than the annual fee. I converted the portfolio to 100% US stocks btw. Sure I can harvest losses myself but that introduces emotion and watching the market carefully.

Don’t understand this. The tax savings only come from realized loses. In the long run SPY will likely best that including your “savings”.

This article from their help center explains the methodology: https://support.wealthfront.com/hc/en-us/articles/209348486-...

Re: UBS Acquires Wealthfront for $1.4B

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Sorry for the possible off-topic, but can anyone explain to me how the robo-advising is different/better/worse than constant passive investing into popular ETFs, e.g. $SPY, $BND, $VOO, etc.?

Not a comprehensive comparison, but I've been doing monthly investments into robo-advisors (Wealthfront and SoFi) as well as ETFs (SPY and VOO) for 2 years now. The returns are quite similar to ETFs, sometimes higher or lower depending on the markets.

Re: UBS Acquires Wealthfront for $1.4B

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really interesting takeaways from the Wealthfront landing page[0]: * every example is shown as a smartphone app - not a single "desktop-oriented" screenshot to be found. I guess we are finished with the days where every service has an app. Now, every service is an app. * In the first example, an investment portfolio is shown where roughly 10% of the holdings is in a group called "single stock bets." Yikes! Though may…

Wealthfront used to have only a very limited portfolio options that used relatively best practices bogglehead-lite-ish, but I think ran into users constantly wanting customization, regardless of its "optimality".

Yes - this is the problem with all "we know best" style platforms.

Example: networking gear that supplies a dhcp server. You shouldn't have to put in the IP address range. It should just be yes or no, so no admin ever needs to know what dhcp even really does. It satisfies 80% of customers.

...but someone wants your own custom DHCP server, with custom IPs so that it can support your legacy printers, with reserved ranges of static IPs because the ghosted profile wants a printer at 172.16.12.2 etc. etc. etc. and that customer is willing to buy $1B of equipment, so you do add the customization. The slippery slope begins to acquire more customers.

Re: UBS Acquires Wealthfront for $1.4B

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really interesting takeaways from the Wealthfront landing page[0]: * every example is shown as a smartphone app - not a single "desktop-oriented" screenshot to be found. I guess we are finished with the days where every service has an app. Now, every service is an app. * In the first example, an investment portfolio is shown where roughly 10% of the holdings is in a group called "single stock bets." Yikes! Though may…

> * every example is shown as a smartphone app - not a single "desktop-oriented" screenshot to be found. I guess we are finished with the days where every service has an app. Now, every service is an app.

Their desktop experience isn't bad though! Other commenters have mentioned how garbage Wells Fargo/JP Morgans investment dashboards are and wealthfront thankfully takes user experience on both platforms seriously

Re: UBS Acquires Wealthfront for $1.4B

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How much better has wealth front done vs SPY, fee adjusted? Imho all robo advisers are a waste of money. If they were actually effective they’d use their own services themselves as opposed to sell them to retail. The latest crop of businesses really are marketing value adds. See: https://longbets.org/362/ Other people have done similar bets and they all lose on a risk adjusted, fee adjusted basis.

The tax savings I get from them is much more than the annual fee. I converted the portfolio to 100% US stocks btw. Sure I can harvest losses myself but that introduces emotion and watching the market carefully.

How do you do this? Isn't max risk like 45% US stock?

Re: UBS Acquires Wealthfront for $1.4B

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Sorry for the possible off-topic, but can anyone explain to me how the robo-advising is different/better/worse than constant passive investing into popular ETFs, e.g. $SPY, $BND, $VOO, etc.?

I mean that’s literally where the money ends up anyway. I have a small amount in Wealthfront to check it out. With my “10/10” risk allocation, my money is all in vanguard funds.

    45% VTI
    20% VEA
    19% VWO
    14% VIG
    2%  VETB
They do also offer some services such as “tax loss harvesting” that you can’t really do on your own, but I don’t really know if it’s worth their fee.

Really, I think one of the best investing strategies is to buy and hold a variety of Vanguard funds and stop thinking about it.

Re: UBS Acquires Wealthfront for $1.4B

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Interesting, the figure does seem quite low to me. Boglehead passive investing has worked really well for the past dozen years. I expect the next 10-15 to be much more challenging given the extremely high starting valuations and end of the low interest rate and QE tailwind. I've been building algotrading models to help tackle the challenge of when to hedge at https://grizzlybulls.com

Is your website built on some platform? Do you have any customers?

How does your platinum plan work?

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