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Re: The window to deploy surveillance-resistant systems is running out

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Post by drcongo »

NeuNeurosis wrote: post #133
drcongo wrote: post #103

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Wait till they hear about actual passports!

Well there is an interesting history to passports. This article does a decent job of outlining how they morphed from a tool to help fight the Spanish Flu to what we see today. https://apposition.substack.com/p/papers-please Also there is quite a bit of economic work that showcases the positive impact of removing such stringent barriers to the free movement of people.

Of course, restricting people's movement across imaginary borders is very silly indeed. The point I was making is, I see plenty of frothing about vaccine passports, but not one single one of those people having conniptions about them is able to articulate what they would enable a government to do that they can't do already with your normal passport, driving license, tax ID etc.

Re: The window to deploy surveillance-resistant systems is running out

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Post by DarylZero »

jaywalk wrote: post #96
avgcorrection wrote: post #78

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I know that it wasn’t the “anxieties and neuroses of society” that controlled the COVID-related policy decisions. Only a fool would think that.

Well, the “anxieties and neuroses of society” are the only reason we're still forced to wear cloth masks in certain places, so...

No one is forced to wear a cloth mask anywhere -- a superior mask is always accepted. The inferior cloth mask is merely accepted, not required.

Here you distort a laxness in COVID mitigation to describe it as the very opposite.

Re: The window to deploy surveillance-resistant systems is running out

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Post by [deleted] »

klyrs wrote: post #41
throwaway22032 wrote: post #31

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The term "conspiracy theory" is a slur intended to blur two distinct concepts into one. On the one hand, it means "insane school of thought". i.e. the Earth is flat. Something which is either totally off the wall, or at least unfalsifiable. On the other hand, it means "non-mainstream school of thought" i.e. phones are being used to track people. It might be true, might not (well, now we know it is), but it's totally…

Phones being used to track people: duh, both corps and govts are doing it. Vaccines contain 5G chips being used to track people: conspiracy theory. I think it's important to distinguish these two groups.

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Re: The window to deploy surveillance-resistant systems is running out

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Post by drcongo »

weljlkjlkerg wrote: post #70
avgcorrection wrote: post #44

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> not be subjugated to whatever happens to feed the anxieties and neuroses of society. That’s awfully vague. Are specters doing this to you? Seems that some power analysis is in order.

Can anyone say the past 2 years of covid-19? Please don't feign naivety. It is a distraction to critical thought.

the past 2 years of covid-19

Re: The window to deploy surveillance-resistant systems is running out

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Post by mdoms »

weljlkjlkerg wrote: post #68

It's painfully obvious OP is talking about a smart phone and a vax passport. You don't have to be "anti-vax" (which is a stupid stupid term) to be anti-vax-passport. The people pushing for vax passports have no clue what they are unleashing. It is absolutely fascist, evil and incredibly surprising to me that 99% of the people on this website are in 100% favor of it. EVIL.

My vax passport is printed onto good old fashioned paper.

Re: The window to deploy surveillance-resistant systems is running out

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Post by lmilcin »

buscoquadnary wrote: post #49
azangru wrote: post #29

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This fills me with dread, resentment and anger. I wanted a future where I would be the master of technology, and what I am getting instead is more of the "I can't let you do this, Dave" vibe. I want to live in a community of individuals, not be subjugated to whatever happens to feed the anxieties and neuroses of society. Is there... will there be a way to resist this obscenity?

It's interesting you say that I've recently started reading Dune, and one point that I found interesting was that the Butlerian Jihad was not a revolution where they swore of the machines who had become malicious against them but rather that some humans were using the machines to oppress other humans and that is what led to the Jihad. I find it interesting that all these technologies that are supposed to make our liv…

> I find it interesting that all these technologies that are supposed to make our lives easier really just end up transferring power from one group of people to another.

But that's what affluent people have always been doing whenever given unrestricted freedom. That's because they are better at using technology and finances and everything else.

Bitcoin was supposed to free money from financial institutions. But that's naive -- financial institutions have way more firepower and experience at subverting markets to their will.

The same goes for anything else. The larger the company the easier time it has to influence lawmaking, judicial, executive.

Maybe what we need is an equivalent of Butlerian Jihad but against organisations that are too big to be controlled.

Re: The window to deploy surveillance-resistant systems is running out

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Post by DarylZero »

martythemaniak wrote: post #74
azangru wrote: post #29

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This fills me with dread, resentment and anger. I wanted a future where I would be the master of technology, and what I am getting instead is more of the "I can't let you do this, Dave" vibe. I want to live in a community of individuals, not be subjugated to whatever happens to feed the anxieties and neuroses of society. Is there... will there be a way to resist this obscenity?

No, the reason you see this increasing control is because people dont' want to give a small minority the ability to fuck up the rest of society. There is nowhere go to on Earth, because the entire world is spoken for. Hence why people will settle space. It's treated as a pie in the sky joke today, but once it's "affordable" (ie, 250K per ticket) many people will go. Long term, it'll be an essential pressure release v…

It's not just per person ticket cost, you need to put a whole space station up there. For the kind of money it would cost it would be affordable to buy whatever freedoms you want right here on Earth.

There's already a movement to live at sea, in international waters, which makes a hell of a lot more sense -- but that movement has insufficient traction with the rich to fund itself. Living in space in the future will always be more expensive than living at sea is now.

Rich people have little reason to be dissidents (though they may want to pose themselves that way), and also it's near impossible to become rich in the first place without being highly conformist toward power, and those attitudes propagate even to heirs.

Re: The window to deploy surveillance-resistant systems is running out

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Post by [deleted] »

azangru wrote: post #126
avgcorrection wrote: post #116

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Have fun with those ghosts of yours. The power elite sets policy. Not vague sentiments.

> Have fun with those ghosts of yours. Thanks. Will do. > The power elite sets policy. Not vague sentiments. What do you mean by this? What's a power elite; doesn't it, in a democracy, rule with the approval of the society, and why would one be happy with a power elite's policy that lets it intrude into your private life anyway?

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Re: The window to deploy surveillance-resistant systems is running out

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Post by mdoms »

karaterobot wrote: post #85

In one HN thread, people complain about the U.S. not forcing people to get vaccinated, and in another thread it's about how the U.S. is becoming an authoritarian state. I take no position on these arguments, I just get spun around trying to track whether the U.S. is being overrun by libertarians or authoritarians sometimes.

> I just get spun around trying to track whether the U.S. is being overrun by libertarians or authoritarians sometimes.

You get spun around when different people make different arguments?

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