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It greatly reduces deaths, which is the point of a vaccine: https://twitter.com/OurWorldInData/status/148607668061993779...
Eating five cheeseburgers a day increase the rush of death too. We don’t have laws against it.
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How do you feel about people who are vaccinated but will still likely have permanent serious consequences or shortened life span due to a "mild" infection? I'm in this category and it doesn't seem particularly rare. Rarely accounted for in these "I am done" type posts though.
Ok but what do you propose though? The vaccinated still spread COVID granted at a lesser rate. A permanent mask mandate? COVID is not going away.
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> I don't think most here understand just how much "this class of people" value freedom over safety. No, the problem is that we do, and also see the selfishness of the position with regards to highly communicable diseases. "My body, my choice" is a fantastic principle when the outcome of the choice has negligible impact on people breathing the same air. Many of these same folks would raise a stir if their neighbor st…
> Their choice to not be vaccinated or wear masks results in people we love dying. If they are one of the 146 million Americans who recovered from Covid, they are at low risk of reinfection and thus transmission. The same cannot be said for Covid-naive, vaccinated people who can be infected and silently infect others due to symptoms being suppressed by the vaccine.
I'm vaccinated and boostered by my own choice. My problem with mandates is where does it end? Why this mandate and not other mandates? Who gets to decide that?
It ends with covid vaccines because that is the only pandemic that is currently raging across the globe. The politicians we elect democratically makes the decisions.
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Millions of people died, there's no victory.
I mean, we declared victory at the end of WWII. No one comes out from a battle unscathed.
Call it a victory if you must, but looking back at the past 2 years there were very few winners.
I am done. I did my part, wore masks (sometimes double masks,) three shots of vaccines and took all reasonable precautions that a sane person could do. But there are still unmasked people and unvaccinated people (sure, blame me for putting everyone in this binary category) and I am done caring about this class of people. I could not see my family for two years due to one or the other international travel restrictions…
Agreed, and we just lost my wife's grandma to Covid. She could have been fine but that part of the family swallowed the anti-vax lie. My wife's aunt almost died from Covid. They should have known better too, having lost a brother in Vietnam to Covid, but the Trumpian lies had a stronger hold on them. We do still need to think about the people who can't get vaxxed for medical reasons. My sister has MS and has been on…
Trump is actively promoting vaccination.
I feel like given that vaccines do an acceptable job at reducing risk of hospitalization and death, there is only really a few things worth discussing, in relevant order:
- Are hospitals actually being overloaded by covid cases to the point of being an issue (according to many, yes. but according to [1] Johns Hopkins, no, or only in some cases?).
- Are the unvaccinated actually the majority of the covid related cases (as far as I'm aware, yes).
- Is this localized (state or city specific), or is this a federal issue.
- Are unvaccinated hospitalizations significantly worse compared to other personal decisions (diet, exercise, risky hobbies).
- Finally, what actions, if any, should be taken to correct the hospital load? (nothing, vaccine mandates, accelerated hospital expansion, turning people away, etc)
- If the answer to the previous is nothing, then what are we even doing?
The focus on just asking "vaccine mandate, yes or no" feels like it's missing most of the discussion.
[1] https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/hospitalization-7-day-trend
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Those are states laws. Generally when someone says Unconstitutional without a state qualification they mean Federal Government.
That's a rather pointless quibble. State laws that violate the constitution are challenged as unconstitutional, and overturned on that basis. There were antivaxers when the Smallpox virus was rampant. Smallpox is gone, because of vaccine mandates. Public schools require a whole panel of vaccines, both of their employees and students. Until now, that hasn't been seen to violate the constitution. But now, there's a sup…