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Re: The window to deploy surveillance-resistant systems is running out

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Post by teekert »

Jimmc414 wrote: post #15
teekert wrote: post #12

I'm sorry, what is the context of this tweet? I don't read the news a lot, I apologize. Why the urgency?

Edward Snowden @Snowden This is not a drill. Matthew Green @matthew_d_green Reminder to Silicon Valley: there’s an even chance that many governments in the world will be run by authoritarian movements in the future. Your window to deploy surveillance-resistant systems is running out.

Ok, that's just a copy paste, but the message is: Encrypt all the things (no backdoors) so your civilians can't be spied on and their vital communications can't be disrupted. Right? That's the message (again)?

I mean I agree, and I use services accordingly (Signal, NextCloud, Home Assistant) but, is there a special reason why he is saying it now, with some urgency? Did something happen?

Re: The window to deploy surveillance-resistant systems is running out

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Post by core-utility »

sh4un wrote: post #8

The problem are the people who are blindly following along and calling the other 50% white supremacists for not following along. I think people are starting to give little credit to the tinfoil hat people because maybe out of all of us, their brand of crazy has merit.

There's a saying going around that the difference between a conspiracy theory and truth is 6-9 months. In other words, look at what the conspiracy theories are today for an idea of what could be understood as truth in the future. Caveat: obviously this is not 100%.

Re: The window to deploy surveillance-resistant systems is running out

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Post by sh4un »

RcouF1uZ4gsC wrote: post #16

I honestly don't think deploying surveillance resistant systems now will help against an authoritarian government. Imagine if WhatsApp, Messenger, and Apple Messages were all fully end-to-end encrypted. An authoritarian government comes in and demands that Facebook/Meta and Apple release a new version that is either not end-to-end encrypted or somehow allows the government to be able to see the messages. Do you reall…

Many people who care already have moved away from social media anthem likes.

It always makes me laugh to see people talk about privacy security from their MacBooks with their apple, Facebook, Google, reddit, Instagram and YouTube accounts. Meanwhile they really happy to handout your info when LE asks.

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Post by ovi256 »

sh4un wrote: post #17
hatware wrote: post #10

But how will we create our utopia?

Make people who go to work have to share their income with those who don't want to work.

Most people already share with those they want to share with. How would you convince them to share with more ?

Re: The window to deploy surveillance-resistant systems is running out

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Post by dandanua »

tazjin wrote: post #5

I think it's imperative that governments all over the world take steps to reduce dependence on American infrastructure. Russia is working on this, but it's a slow process - especially on the hardware side of things. If the US goes (more) rogue at some point, Europe will be left holding the bag. The sphere around Russia and China will make it, but what does Europe have?

Russia is working on terrorizing their neighbors, and suppression of their own population except super rich. Sure, every move they make is supplied with "blame America!", but I doubt that this "trick" really works nowadays.

Re: The window to deploy surveillance-resistant systems is running out

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Post by core-utility »

choeger wrote: post #18

We are long beyond that point, sadly. We are right now in the process of a) becoming legally required to own and carry a particular kind of device and b) being legally unable to fully control said device and c) having that device explicitly working (again by legal requirement) against our own interests It will be interesting to watch how things will progress and whether governments or corporations will be the ones ho…

The TV show Upload [1] has a group of people dubbed the "Ludds" (i.e. Luddites) that refuse to be party to the turn that the technological revolution has taken and stick to traditional ways of doing things. I strongly believe if that were to happen in our world today, much of Silicon Valley would be "Ludds", while a mass of non-tech people would happily welcome our new technological overlords.

[1]: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt7826376/

Re: The window to deploy surveillance-resistant systems is running out

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Post by zepto »

sh4un wrote: post #14
dbsmith83 wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is ironic considering Russia and China are already quite authoritarian societies. China is especially heavy handed on the surveillance side of things.

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> Russia and China don't have the issues like in the US where every single individual believes they are entitled to some special rights and privileges because of entitlement.

Not being entitled to rights as an individual is generally the complaint against the political systems of China and Russia.

Re: The window to deploy surveillance-resistant systems is running out

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Post by Stevvo »

sh4un wrote: post #8

The problem are the people who are blindly following along and calling the other 50% white supremacists for not following along. I think people are starting to give little credit to the tinfoil hat people because maybe out of all of us, their brand of crazy has merit.

We are talking about a global issue; political/cultural divisions that are for the most part confined to the US are not "the problem".

Even within the US mass-surveillance predates the current political climate.

Re: The window to deploy surveillance-resistant systems is running out

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Post by azangru »

choeger wrote: post #18

We are long beyond that point, sadly. We are right now in the process of a) becoming legally required to own and carry a particular kind of device and b) being legally unable to fully control said device and c) having that device explicitly working (again by legal requirement) against our own interests It will be interesting to watch how things will progress and whether governments or corporations will be the ones ho…

This fills me with dread, resentment and anger. I wanted a future where I would be the master of technology, and what I am getting instead is more of the "I can't let you do this, Dave" vibe. I want to live in a community of individuals, not be subjugated to whatever happens to feed the anxieties and neuroses of society. Is there... will there be a way to resist this obscenity?

Re: The window to deploy surveillance-resistant systems is running out

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Post by phkahler »

core-utility wrote: post #26
choeger wrote: post #18

We are long beyond that point, sadly. We are right now in the process of a) becoming legally required to own and carry a particular kind of device and b) being legally unable to fully control said device and c) having that device explicitly working (again by legal requirement) against our own interests It will be interesting to watch how things will progress and whether governments or corporations will be the ones ho…

The TV show Upload [1] has a group of people dubbed the "Ludds" (i.e. Luddites) that refuse to be party to the turn that the technological revolution has taken and stick to traditional ways of doing things. I strongly believe if that were to happen in our world today, much of Silicon Valley would be "Ludds", while a mass of non-tech people would happily welcome our new technological overlords. [1]: https://www.imdb.c…

>> I strongly believe if that were to happen in our world today, much of Silicon Valley would be "Ludds", while a mass of non-tech people would happily welcome our new technological overlords.

Which would be very interesting because it's the Ludds who are building that tech. But hey, it pays well...

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