Tech companies only stand to gain from partnering with an invasive government. The idea that they'd side with us over the state that regulates them and provides a market to seek profit is a fantasy
The window to deploy surveillance-resistant systems is running out
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#12I'm sorry, what is the context of this tweet? I don't read the news a lot, I apologize.
Why the urgency?
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#13"This is not a drill" makes me think there's an immediate threat that needs full attention, especially from snowden's account. Is this just more twitter slang to add emphasis?
> there's an immediate threat that needs full attention
I think that's exactly what Snowden is trying to say
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#14I think it's imperative that governments all over the world take steps to reduce dependence on American infrastructure. Russia is working on this, but it's a slow process - especially on the hardware side of things. If the US goes (more) rogue at some point, Europe will be left holding the bag. The sphere around Russia and China will make it, but what does Europe have?
This is ironic considering Russia and China are already quite authoritarian societies. China is especially heavy handed on the surveillance side of things.
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#15I'm sorry, what is the context of this tweet? I don't read the news a lot, I apologize. Why the urgency?
Edward Snowden
@Snowden
This is not a drill.
Matthew Green @matthew_d_green Reminder to Silicon Valley: there’s an even chance that many governments in the world will be run by authoritarian movements in the future. Your window to deploy surveillance-resistant systems is running out.
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#16I honestly don't think deploying surveillance resistant systems now will help against an authoritarian government.
Imagine if WhatsApp, Messenger, and Apple Messages were all fully end-to-end encrypted.
An authoritarian government comes in and demands that Facebook/Meta and Apple release a new version that is either not end-to-end encrypted or somehow allows the government to be able to see the messages.
Do you really think they will resist? Do you see Tim Cook or Mark Zuckerberg willing to have all their wealth confiscated and spend the rest of their life in prison on the charges of assisting terrorism (remember, we are talking about an authoritarian government. Remember also what happened to the Russian oligarchs to defied Putin, and the Jack Ma in China)?
So Facebook and Apple release the new version, and disallow using the old version (users get a popup saying they need to upgrade their app).
Do you really think any significant portion of users will not "upgrade" their apps to the less secure version and lose out on all their existing chat history and networks?
The people that would be aware of this and resist this, are likely using apps like Signal, Matrix, etc (apps that prize security over engagement and that have not come from the Silicon Valley tech giants).
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#17But how will we create our utopia?
Make people who go to work have to share their income with those who don't want to work.
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#18We are long beyond that point, sadly. We are right now in the process of
a) becoming legally required to own and carry a particular kind of device and
b) being legally unable to fully control said device and
c) having that device explicitly working (again by legal requirement) against our own interests
It will be interesting to watch how things will progress and whether governments or corporations will be the ones holding control over the devices.
It will also be interesting to see how the mandatory usage and mandatory anti-user-services will be implemented in detail.
I guess that mandatory usage will be a race between mobile payment and government services like eID and eLicense. Anti-user-services will take some time to be fully developed, but I guess the first thing will be content scanning in messenger apps, closely followed by a list of illegal words or names.
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#19>Reminder to Silicon Valley: there’s an even chance that many governments in the world will be run by authoritarian movements in the future. Your window to deploy surveillance-resistant systems is running out. Tech companies don't have a great human rights history when there is money to be made. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_and_the_Holocaust
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This is ironic considering Russia and China are already quite authoritarian societies. China is especially heavy handed on the surveillance side of things.
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> People in China are ok with surveillance because most of them tend not to do things like riot for every reason, or murder people for fun.
Are you sure that it's a lack of entitlement causing this, and not - maybe - threat of "disappearance" or death for speaking out? The Tiananmen Square massacre was not that long ago, and many understand the repercussions of dissent in no uncertain terms.