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Re: Why does the "chart increasing" emoji show in red?

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Post by dllthomas »

dragonwriter wrote: post #91
sgustard wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Very true, "red" and "blue" had no political meaning in my childhood. Another source: https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/when-republicans-were...

> Very true, “red” and “blue” had no political meaning in my childhood “Red” had a very long established political meaning before the new one for “Republican” was adopted, visible in phrases like “better dead than Red”. “Blue” didn’t, though.

"Her eldest son bled the family white, her second son blew everything and fled, but imagine the duchess's feelings when her youngest son went red!"

Re: Why does the "chart increasing" emoji show in red?

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Post by nlowell »

LeoPanthera wrote: post #68
nlowell wrote: post #21

I'm red-green colorblind, and for this reason was never allowed in accounting at work. I kid, but it sure does surprise me that so much of the world uses red/green to visualize! Passive-aggressive fun fact: roughly 8% of men have some colorblindness.

> roughly 8% of men have some colorblindness 8% of Northern European males, but this includes all types of color vision deficiency, even those who have limited, but still functional, color vision.

Ah, thanks for the correction

Re: Why does the "chart increasing" emoji show in red?

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Post by seoulmetro »

k1t wrote: post #3

When I see that emoji I think of a sales chart, not stocks. I feel like the sales charts are usually red, even when increasing - presumably becauseit stands out.

That's because you have a functioning brain. To most people the Emojii set is a dictionary of displayed objects. This object is a chart (obviously) and what do charts do? They represent data, not all charts represent the data of stocks. Even less represent the data of money itself!

Weird that people could see interest in why a chart might have a red line even if it goes up? Like, do they not know charts exist outside stock markets?

Re: Why does the "chart increasing" emoji show in red?

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Post by seoulmetro »

ag8 wrote: post #72

Interestingly, "Chart Increasing with Yen" is almost universally green: https://emojipedia.org/chart-increasing-with-yen/

That's not interesting.

Money chart is a subset of Chart set. Charts don't have a pre-defined colour for rising data points...

Re: Why does the "chart increasing" emoji show in red?

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Post by kalleboo »

qsort wrote: post #7
deepfriedrice wrote: post #6

Random question: Why are there so many emoji "implementations"? I understand copyright, but is it really cheaper/easier/preferable for all these different companies to design their own emojis?

For the same reason that there are many fonts. Unicode only defines codepoints, like "UPSIDE-DOWN FACE U+1F643", similar to how it only defines "U+0041 LATIN CAPITAL A". I for one believe it was a very stupid idea to standardize emoji, but here we are.

I think what emoji symbolizes is the failure of not having a ubiquitous format for rich text. Ideally you'd embed custom smily graphics. See also how people abuse mathematical symbols for "bold" or "italic" text.

Re: Why does the "chart increasing" emoji show in red?

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Post by Tagbert »

hnbad wrote: post #99
bradknowles wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You never heard of a “blue dog democrat”?

I'm not sure if you're joking but the only reference I can find is the "Blue Dog Coalition" which takes its name from "being choked blue" and the term "yellow dog Democrat", which in turn seems to refer to what now goes by "vote blue no matter who" in the sense of "they would vote for a yellow dog as long as it is Democrat", which in turn uses "yellow dog" to refer to "low value" American dogs with no genetic link to…

“blue dog democrat” Was a term for some conservatives, mostly living in the US south, who were registered as Democrats. When Nixon executed his “southern strategy”, many of those democrats switch to the Republican Party and are probably a big reason why that party switched from a moderately conservative, corporatist party to what it is today.

Re: Why does the "chart increasing" emoji show in red?

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Post by Tagbert »

hnbad wrote: post #102
dragonwriter wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Very true, “red” and “blue” had no political meaning in my childhood “Red” had a very long established political meaning before the new one for “Republican” was adopted, visible in phrases like “better dead than Red”. “Blue” didn’t, though.

The color red seems to politically date back to the French revolution and has since been mostly associated with the far left of the political spectrum in seemingly all places except the modern US (thanks, GOP). Likewise brown is typically associated with fascists and nazis (due to the "brownshirts"). Annoyingly my home country (Germany) uses both black and blue to indicate conservative or right-wing parties. Conserva…

That far left political party associated with red in other countries barely exists in in the US.

The GOP being “red” and Democrats being “blue” were not colors chosen by the parties. In the seventies, Television broadcasters started using colors to identify voting trends and soon enough they all settled on those particular colors for the parties. There may have been some attempt to not use red for Democrats to avoid reinforcing the “lefty” stereotype.

Re: Why does the "chart increasing" emoji show in red?

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Post by kalleboo »

skhr0680 wrote: post #81
petee wrote: post #52

But their traffic lights are red, being the traditional "STOP", or caution, etc...why would that be chosen to be applied to something increasing? And apparently chart-decreasing is blue, again opposite correlation to use in traffic lights, meaning "go"

The first traffic lights were imported to Japan from the US in 1930, and had "subtitles" written on them because people had a hard time understanding what the colors meant*. Something I find entertaining about the stock colors is that the idioms "in the red" and "in the black" mean the same thing in Japanese as in English. * https://www.pref.hiroshima.lg.jp/uploaded/image/24705.gif

Also stop signs were originally yellow, not red, which would add to the confusion.

Re: Why does the "chart increasing" emoji show in red?

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Post by dionidium »

jedberg wrote: post #67
dionidium wrote: post #62

This is a bit tangential, but I sometimes wish there were a word for the mistake of thinking a convention represents a fundamental property of the thing represented. Other examples that come to mind: 1. Maps that aren't oriented with north on top 2. U.S. electrical outlets that are "upside-down" I'm sure there are others, but those are the two that jump to mind.

Funny you mention the outlets. They're actually safer "upside down" because if they get loose and something falls on top, it'll just hit the ground pin instead of possibly creating a circuit across the hot and neutral.

There's some truth to that, but it's not really taken all that seriously by electricians (and the NEC doesn't specify)

https://www.reddit.com/r/electricians/comments/sdpmzb/my_own...

Re: Why does the "chart increasing" emoji show in red?

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Post by nopenopenopeno »

gurkendoktor wrote: post #100
nopenopenopeno wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In America, “conservative” and “liberal” both mean neoliberal.

This is a recent development. When gay marriage was less popular among voters a couple decades ago, "conservative" meant "neoconservatism", which was exactly the same as neoliberalism, but without the LGBT+. (I hope that I have now successfully offended every political ideology that claims to have centuries of philosophical backing behind it.)

Haha, you’re right.
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