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Two weeks later David Bennett is alive, his pig’s heart beating soundly

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Re: Two weeks later David Bennett is alive, his pig’s heart beating soundly

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I just want to say huge respect for Dr Mohammad who despite his faith decided to do what is right. It might not be well known but most muslims are raised with strong beliefs, even in educated countries (eg 85% in Pakistan support sharia). God bless Dr mohammad

Yes, how wonderful that a medical doctor would make an exception over his superstition. Truly a man of science!

Re: Two weeks later David Bennett is alive, his pig’s heart beating soundly

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I just want to say huge respect for Dr Mohammad who despite his faith decided to do what is right. It might not be well known but most muslims are raised with strong beliefs, even in educated countries (eg 85% in Pakistan support sharia). God bless Dr mohammad

Yes, how wonderful that a medical doctor would make an exception over his superstition. Truly a man of science!

Is there a need to be condescending about his beliefs, especially when what we're hearing of them is based on conjecture?

Re: Two weeks later David Bennett is alive, his pig’s heart beating soundly

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Is this compassionate use or experimentation on a dying patient for the future benefit of the rest of us? I’m fine with the latter, if consensual. But only if we call it what it is.

That is what a clinical trial is. There is now other way. Although with organs-on-a-chip we are working on at least getting the animal testing stages confined to a minimum. Over time we may reduce the risk to first recipients of new tech using these new technologies. Perhaps even digital models may at somepoint start playing a role. But until we have digital models, this is what we have. And it does seem to work well…

Yes. No matter what the treatment might be, someone always has to be the first human it's tried on.

Even if we did have good digital simulations, someone would still have to be the first human to get it "for real". That's just the nature of things. Someone has to be the first patient of a new heart surgeon. Someone has to be the first person to hire a newly-minted PE to design a bridge that might fail and kill thousands. And so on.

We mitigate these risks to the best of our ability by ensuring rigorous training of doctors and PEs, and stuff like animal testing and computer simulations, but someone still has to be first.

It sounds like this patient was well aware of the risks, and opted to get the procedure since otherwise his death would be a certainty.

Re: Two weeks later David Bennett is alive, his pig’s heart beating soundly

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They did so a pig to human kidney transplant recently however it was on a brain dead man as an initial test. Probably soon it be on a living patient. As a person on a kidney transplant waitlist, it given me some hope for the future. https://medicalxpress.com/news/2022-01-pig-to-human-transpla...

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What's your source that states it was non consensual?

Re: Two weeks later David Bennett is alive, his pig’s heart beating soundly

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If you were the cat, I bet you'd feel differently. That's as serious of an answer as I can give. It's the same reason I never neutered my cats, since it felt like a mutilation.

Yes, but if I were a cat I wouldn't lick my own anus and yet cats happily do that - my opinion on what I would or wouldn't like as a cat is not really relevant. My point is - we are not cats, and cats aren't humans. They deserve good treatment, respect and all the love they can get - but at the end of the day they are not humans and should not be treated as such.

How would you clean your anus if you were a cat?

Suppose a cat had fingers, and basic language ability. Would you still feel the same way?

Suppose we didn't slaughter the other five proto-human species (Neanderthals et al). Would you still feel the same way?

The line gets blurrier the more you think it over.

Re: Two weeks later David Bennett is alive, his pig’s heart beating soundly

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It is even simpler than that. Someone who has served their time in prison and is now released is considered to have paid their debt to society. You may think, as I do, that this man served nowhere near what he should have for the crime he committed. However, the law has been followed and he is no longer in prison. If the people the New York Post is targeting think that he should still be punished, then he should stil…

My experience has been that the kind of people that want longer prison sentences for folks like this are more than willing to tolerate higher taxes to pay for them.

Let’s not pretend that the budget of prisons has any bearing on a man that was dutifully convicted and sentenced by a judge.

The bigger issue IMO is that the killer never paid any of the monetary judgement against him to the victims family.

Re: Two weeks later David Bennett is alive, his pig’s heart beating soundly

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The hostility towards FDA on HN is incredible. I wouldn't trust some VC funded startup bros with anything related to medicine at all without having passed every single regulatory board tangentially related to whatever they are doing, even more so after Theranos.

I don’t sense hostility outside the typical vocal minority. Having straddled the FDA-regulated world and the libertarian-leaning internet cultures through the aughts and teens, my experience is that the internet libertarians are simply ignorant of how the FDA actually serves us. Pretty typically libertarian—freedom as long as nothing gets more dangerous. Kind of like rebellious children.

HN had a huge sophomoric Randian streak years ago.. It seems to be maturing as I assume the users age.

Re: Two weeks later David Bennett is alive, his pig’s heart beating soundly

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I understand the family though. The unfairness is heavy.

The unfairness of a terminally ill person that's not eligible for a regular heart transplant receiving an experimental treatment that might just as well kill him, but in the long run might save many more? Or is it the unfairness of never being able to escape ones past?

The social implication can be as incredible as we all imagine, it's still unbearable for the family involved.

Re: Two weeks later David Bennett is alive, his pig’s heart beating soundly

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That is such a ridiculous comment, I had a mighty chuckle.

If you replace a human organ by organ with one from a pig, is he still the original human? Ship of piggus.

We basically have at least as many or more bacteria cells in us than human cells so are we actually a microbe?
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