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Re: Why does the "chart increasing" emoji show in red?

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Post by dragonwriter »

bradknowles wrote: post #96
dragonwriter wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Very true, “red” and “blue” had no political meaning in my childhood “Red” had a very long established political meaning before the new one for “Republican” was adopted, visible in phrases like “better dead than Red”. “Blue” didn’t, though.

You never heard of a “blue dog democrat”?

There are a number of noun phrases with colors on them that have political meaning, that's different than the color alone, not in combination with the modified noun, having political meaning.

Re: Why does the "chart increasing" emoji show in red?

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Post by hnbad »

dragonwriter wrote: post #91
sgustard wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Very true, "red" and "blue" had no political meaning in my childhood. Another source: https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/when-republicans-were...

> Very true, “red” and “blue” had no political meaning in my childhood “Red” had a very long established political meaning before the new one for “Republican” was adopted, visible in phrases like “better dead than Red”. “Blue” didn’t, though.

The color red seems to politically date back to the French revolution and has since been mostly associated with the far left of the political spectrum in seemingly all places except the modern US (thanks, GOP). Likewise brown is typically associated with fascists and nazis (due to the "brownshirts").

Annoyingly my home country (Germany) uses both black and blue to indicate conservative or right-wing parties. Conservatives being indicated in blue seems to be somewhat common internationally but black is historically tied to anarchism (which uses a black flag to be the flag of all people that no one country can claim, unlike the white flag of surrender).

Re: Why does the "chart increasing" emoji show in red?

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Post by b3orn »

hnbad wrote: post #102
dragonwriter wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Very true, “red” and “blue” had no political meaning in my childhood “Red” had a very long established political meaning before the new one for “Republican” was adopted, visible in phrases like “better dead than Red”. “Blue” didn’t, though.

The color red seems to politically date back to the French revolution and has since been mostly associated with the far left of the political spectrum in seemingly all places except the modern US (thanks, GOP). Likewise brown is typically associated with fascists and nazis (due to the "brownshirts"). Annoyingly my home country (Germany) uses both black and blue to indicate conservative or right-wing parties. Conserva…

I think only the CDU is black, their sister party the CSU is blue, except when they're shown together as the Union, then it's black again.

Re: Why does the "chart increasing" emoji show in red?

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Post by hnbad »

gumby wrote: post #87
culi wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Reminds me of the time I heard from someone much older than me that Democrats and Republicans switched from being red or blue almost every year until 2000 when the election results were so uncertain that people got used to seeing red=Republican and blue=Democrat for weeks and the color scheme just ended up becoming permanent. As a (younger) politics junkie I was shocked even though it makes total sense and I've alway…

Left and right themselves just refer to where groups sat in the revolutionary National Assembly. At this point the terms, like “conservative”, have become labels without meaning in US politics.

I'd agree that calling the Dems and GOP "left and right" is somewhat meaningless but historically the left-right spectrum was originally about "power to the people" vs "power to the king" and has been generalized to "hierarchies bad" vs "hierarchies good". Of course this is a spectrum because there are many dimensions in which politics can be "left" or "right" (e.g. social norms, welfare, spending, policing, regulations).

The problem with the Democrats and the Republicans isn't that they're two coherent parties. They're both parent organizations for state-level parties which can be politically extremely different from each other. And those parties can themselves be ideologically incoherent because people join them simply because there is no point in joining a third party instead, not to mention that in some cases in-party election (e.g. the primaries) allow non-members to vote, which further messes with their political coherence. And don't even get me started on how PACs and big donors affect campaigning.

Re: Why does the "chart increasing" emoji show in red?

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Post by hnbad »

b3orn wrote: post #103
hnbad wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The color red seems to politically date back to the French revolution and has since been mostly associated with the far left of the political spectrum in seemingly all places except the modern US (thanks, GOP). Likewise brown is typically associated with fascists and nazis (due to the "brownshirts"). Annoyingly my home country (Germany) uses both black and blue to indicate conservative or right-wing parties. Conserva…

I think only the CDU is black, their sister party the CSU is blue, except when they're shown together as the Union, then it's black again.

Yeah, but only because you can't really have "shades" of black. The CSU and AfD are both indicated as blue the same way the SPD and Die Linke are both indicated as red, but usually different shades (or e.g. using magenta for Die Linke, which is even sillier as Die Linke is to the left of the SPD).

Every party has an official color of course, but they're not always used in reporting. For example, while the CSU uses blue for its logo, the CDU uses red but still is traditionally represented in black.

Re: Why does the "chart increasing" emoji show in red?

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Post by OJFord »

fouc wrote: post #23
nlowell wrote: post #21

I'm red-green colorblind, and for this reason was never allowed in accounting at work. I kid, but it sure does surprise me that so much of the world uses red/green to visualize! Passive-aggressive fun fact: roughly 8% of men have some colorblindness.

8% seems shockingly high, if that's true then it's also shocking how little effort seems to be made to compensate for colorblindness. Why aren't Emojis presented differently depending on type of colorblindness for example?

> if that's true then it's also shocking how little effort seems to be made to compensate for colorblindness

Yes, it is!

I also don't like how when 'colourblind mode' does exist, it tends to be wildly different - whereas I don't need that, I just need slightly different reds and slightly different greens that don't mix up. I do realise though that it's probably because different people have different ranges, and the far easier/only possible way to fix it for everyone is to go blue/yellow or whatever instead.

Re: Why does the "chart increasing" emoji show in red?

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Post by bener »

ldjb wrote: post #15
d--b wrote: post #9

Well the “chart decreasing” emoji is blue. So that whole thing about Japanese stock exchange is wrong…

It depends on the font. Some fonts have it in red, some in blue, some in green, some in orange. I think it's reasonable to think that cultural differences played a part in the variety of colours used by different fonts. They seem to be gravitating towards blue (specifically, the colour most westerners consider blue), though. https://emojipedia.org/chart-decreasing/

"...the colour most westerners consider blue" - are your saying this because they have a different word for blue in other countries or because there is some sort of dispute over what is considered blue?

Re: Why does the "chart increasing" emoji show in red?

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Post by jFriedensreich »

jFriedensreich wrote: post #35

maybe i am the only one who did see the cultural meanings as obvious but i was missing this information: reasoning western culture: blood > death > danger > warning reasoning in eastern culture: fire > energy > vitality > growth

of course i meant 'not see'

Re: Why does the "chart increasing" emoji show in red?

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Post by zinekeller »

bener wrote: post #107
ldjb wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It depends on the font. Some fonts have it in red, some in blue, some in green, some in orange. I think it's reasonable to think that cultural differences played a part in the variety of colours used by different fonts. They seem to be gravitating towards blue (specifically, the colour most westerners consider blue), though. https://emojipedia.org/chart-decreasing/

"...the colour most westerners consider blue" - are your saying this because they have a different word for blue in other countries or because there is some sort of dispute over what is considered blue?

Neither, it's because of a (mainly) East Asian concept of "grue" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue%E2%80%93green_distinction...). This is also the reason why the Japanese traffic lights has the "bluest green" (according to the Japanese government) in use today (https://www.rd.com/article/heres-japan-blue-traffic-lights/).

P.S. Russians have a different problem with blue: there's no singular word that maps to the English "blue" (they have синий (siniy, darker shades of blue) and голубой (goluboy, lighter shades of blue)). To be fair, English has the reds going on here: there's pink (in some languages substituted with the local equivalent of "rose") and maroon (which is just replaced with "dark red", and is a worst offender since that the French uses it for brown!)

Re: Why does the "chart increasing" emoji show in red?

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Post by kingcharles »

Cyberdog wrote: post #97
kingcharles wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I had to look this up, as I (wrongly) thought the etymology was derived from the English "emoticon", but it's not, it is a purely Japanese word. https://www.sciencefriday.com/articles/the-origin-of-the-wor... So, yes, you are absolutely right, technically I have been mispronouncing it for almost two decades. I can't stop now though, because everyone else outside Japan is also doing the same.

Just wait until you learn about the correct pronunciation of "karate!" :D

My first day learning Japanese...!
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