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Agatha Christie could afford a maid and a nanny but not a car

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Re: Agatha Christie could afford a maid and a nanny but not a car

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I was visiting some temples in Bangkok recently and was amused to find there was no dual pricing; rather, there was an admission charge for foreigners and no charge for Thais. (I don’t mind this system actually, but if I were paying taxes in Thailand and still had to pay foreigner entry fees everywhere it might bug me.)

The train between Machu Picchu (Aguas Calientes) and Cusco had three classes, the lowest of which was restricted to Peruvian citizens and residents. To be clear, Peruvians were free to use the second and first classes if they were willing to pay, too, but only they were allowed to use the very cheap third class. If I recall correctly, the second class one-way was about US$35. It struck me as being a bit fancier (and…

It was more like $90 per person for one-way, 1.5 hour ride, of course it's fancy for that kind of cash. I guess all Machu Picchu prices were subject to 10% YoY growth pre-COVID since, you know, they don't make them anymore.

Re: Agatha Christie could afford a maid and a nanny but not a car

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>people expect him to do this. Right, it's part of how society works. In some places, having a housekeeper is a critical part of the economy and its incredibly impolite not to have one, if you are part of the expat class.

I'm surprised to hear that it is impolite to not have a housekeeper if you are an expat. To which places are you referring?

Anecdata :

My wife's parents worked in Kenya for a few years in the 70s and they where advised that having a maid and a nanny was expected.

(we are Swedish)

Re: Agatha Christie could afford a maid and a nanny but not a car

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I had a fellow American friend who lived in Bali for a year in the mid-70s. When he arrived, he shopped for his own food and cooked it. But he found that, since the merchants charged people by their social class, he could hire a housekeeper and have them buy and cook his food for the same price as buying his own found. And people expect him to do this.

> But he found that, since the merchants charged people by their social class, The same thing happens in developed countries like the US too. It's just done a different way: We have high end grocery stores and low end grocery stores, and ones in the middle, each catering more or less to different social classes. If you are really low on the totem pole, you may have no grocery store. Although they differ in the qualit…

Hospitals in Belgium charge you by your income level. We know this because my wife had to be briefly hospitalized in Brussels during the nearly 8 years we lived there, and the hospital made it very clear to us that we were being charged in this way.

Ironically, we still paid less out of pocket for that week-long hospital stay without insurance than we would have paid for a single day hospital stay here in the US with insurance.

So, overall, we were pretty happy about the amount we were paying.

Re: Agatha Christie could afford a maid and a nanny but not a car

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post #75

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just the other day i was walking through an appliances market and was astonished how you could get huge TVs for less than what i spent on my phone. of course they probably all come with some sort of advertising that you can't turn off, but still...

>of course they probably all come with some sort of advertising that you can't turn off, but still... refuses to connect to wifi problem solved.

unfortunately not. at least our tv has an ad in the boot sequence. the content is benign, about more products from the same manufacturer, but it comes with an obnoxiously loud jingle that i always have to rush to turn down the volume before my ears bleed

Re: Agatha Christie could afford a maid and a nanny but not a car

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The rent seems insanely low, it's hard to find a single-room apartment for that price in a medium-size city. By 1919 you have most of the utilities we expect to have in an apartment, so that doesnt seem to be a factor. Is there some factor not mentioned in the article, or have rents just gone up more than other things?

Lower demand perhaps - e.g. the maid is living with you so they don't need their own place to live.

It's a four-bedroom apartment for one childless couple, so this particular case doesn't support the idea that there was less demand. And the population of London is within 20% of what it was.

Re: Agatha Christie could afford a maid and a nanny but not a car

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In Thailand I can say this isn't the case

Many attractions in Thailand have dual pricing, with foreigner pricing in Arabic numerals (100 baht) and local pricing in Thai numerals (๒๐ บาท). The price differential is often 5x or more.

they are very up-front about that, though, and my thai friends told me it's because their taxes support the attractions, which seemed perfectly fair to me.

Re: Agatha Christie could afford a maid and a nanny but not a car

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Agatha Christie's quote is well-known but the exact same situation still holds today in many countries. Here in Viet Nam it is extremely common for middle income families to have a maid or nanny (or both) but not a car. The cars themselves are quite expensive. A Honda Civic is $33,000 by itself whereas a nanny (6-days a week, 10 hours a day) is $400-500/month and a maid who works 9 hours a week, i.e. 3 days a week, 3…

I don't think it's reasonable to quote the price of a new car (which is in tens of thousands) when determining whether someone can afford a car.

I sold my last car for €500 and it wasn't in the worst shape.

Re: Agatha Christie could afford a maid and a nanny but not a car

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I have a different conclusion. The article mentions that the car would have cost her 3 months of income. That doesn't sound too much and is roughly about the same what people pay for cars today, maybe even more.

The reason she thought about the car as a luxury and not a necessity is that then the society wasn't dependent on cars like we do today. They travelled less, worked closer to home, milkman brought milk to home and grocery shopping could be done closer to home as well.

Re: Agatha Christie could afford a maid and a nanny but not a car

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I'm surprised to hear that it is impolite to not have a housekeeper if you are an expat. To which places are you referring?

That's a fairly common attitude in poorer countries - there is an expectation that if you are wealthy, you have (at the very least) an obligation to provide employment.

From Hilaire Belloc, of pre-war (1911) Britain:

  Lord Finchley tried to mend the Electric Light
  Himself. It struck him dead: And serve him right!
  It is the business of the wealthy man
  To give employment to the artisan.

Re: Agatha Christie could afford a maid and a nanny but not a car

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Interesting that he compares everything that is hard to compare but ignores one thing that would be very easy - rental pricing. You had to pay it then and you have to pay it now. "four bedrooms, two sitting rooms, and a “nice outlook on green.” The rent was £90 for a year." According to one CPI calculator ( https://www.in2013dollars.com ) "£90 in 1919 is equivalent in purchasing power to about £4,951.54 today" and "£…

> So ignoring the tvs, computers, holidays, cars, healthcare and all the things that we cannot compare and comparing what we can, it is obvious that just to live in 2021 we need more money that what we are making and so it is easy to see how most people feel that the living standards have gone down.

The thing is, you can live today without all of that and your living costs would be comparable to Christie's. A house without electricity, centralized heating, safety regulations of today will cost far less to rent, if you can find one that is. Today's housing comes batteries included with all of that so it will be more expensive. People might feel their standards of living going down but if they were to spend a week in a 1919 house they'd be much more grateful.

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