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Agatha Christie could afford a maid and a nanny but not a car

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Re: Agatha Christie could afford a maid and a nanny but not a car

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post #88

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My girlfriend is Qatari and it is almost universal there to have a live-in maid.

Or be a live-in maid. It seems unlikely more than half the people have a live-n maid.

The vast majority of people in Qatar (and in every Arab monarchy, and a significant portion of every Arab country) are not citizens, they're guest workers. Most of these guest workers are domestic labor.

Re: Agatha Christie could afford a maid and a nanny but not a car

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post #63

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Inflation is defined based on utility, not a certain level of society. The second would be something like GDP growth, much higher than inflation, and definitionally a zero-sum game. Inflation says that you would rather prefer to live it today's society at say $60,000/year (with smart phones, cars, Internet TV), than yesterday's society at say $50,000/year (with two maids, but none of the technology). Introspecting, I…

> Introspecting, I would say the above decision is true for me. An alternate perspective (not contrary, just different)… My uncle and late aunt were linguists in Central and South America. They were funded modestly with American funds. When abroad, they did not have a car, but they did have a housekeeper (cooking and cleaning) and one or two nannies (two when their 3rd kid was young). They got around by scooter, or t…

That's because the real currency in life is time. Household help actively safes time. A car just allows cities to spread out further until the initial time savings experienced while cars were new are eaten up.

Re: Agatha Christie could afford a maid and a nanny but not a car

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Philippines as well. If you don't speak the language you are paying a premium for food, travel, communications, and potentially rent.

In Thailand I can say this isn't the case

They have different prices for foreigner and locals in Thailand and Indonesia.

Re: Agatha Christie could afford a maid and a nanny but not a car

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post #55

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Philippines as well. If you don't speak the language you are paying a premium for food, travel, communications, and potentially rent.

My experience in SEA in general and Bali specifically (as a Malaysian), prices are not simply a matter of speaking the language. Vendors often charge based literally on your social class/status.

In other words: your skin color.

Re: Agatha Christie could afford a maid and a nanny but not a car

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post #77

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I had a fellow American friend who lived in Bali for a year in the mid-70s. When he arrived, he shopped for his own food and cooked it. But he found that, since the merchants charged people by their social class, he could hire a housekeeper and have them buy and cook his food for the same price as buying his own found. And people expect him to do this.

In Egypt, that's true unless you haggle. You can always haggle to get close to Egyptian prices, but if I didn't have my friend with me to show me how to do that, I would have paid American prices the whole trip. I'm sure a lot of places work similarly. At the end of the day, they want to make a sale, doesn't matter who you are just what they think you'll pay.

Funny, I found shop vendors from some Arabic cultures would almost become offended if you _didn't_ barter with them -- at least if they knew you weren't just a tourist. For the (American) tourists wandering through they'd suck it up and just charge them 10x the price. ;)

Re: Agatha Christie could afford a maid and a nanny but not a car

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post #58

The most obvious thing that this fails to address is literally the largest expense that the vast majority of people have, and the need for it has not changed: housing. The idea the Christie’s multi bedroom apartment would be as cheap as stated is laughable and demonstrably false. The unwillingness of governments to include cost of housing in inflation calculations is more reflective of their pressure to make the land…

While you're right, bear in mind, the worldwide population was 1/8th what it is now 100 years ago. That would mean, on average, worldwide, using naive metrics, housing cost would be 1/8th what it is today, even adjusting for inflation. One thing to keep in mind, the population in the UK at that time was very high, the population replenished back to pre WW2 levels only in 2017 and that includes immigration that didn't exist back then, so it wouldn't have been 1/8th for her, only slightly less. But all in all, housing costs worldwide would've been significantly less back then.

Re: Agatha Christie could afford a maid and a nanny but not a car

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post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I had a fellow American friend who lived in Bali for a year in the mid-70s. When he arrived, he shopped for his own food and cooked it. But he found that, since the merchants charged people by their social class, he could hire a housekeeper and have them buy and cook his food for the same price as buying his own found. And people expect him to do this.

In Egypt, that's true unless you haggle. You can always haggle to get close to Egyptian prices, but if I didn't have my friend with me to show me how to do that, I would have paid American prices the whole trip. I'm sure a lot of places work similarly. At the end of the day, they want to make a sale, doesn't matter who you are just what they think you'll pay.

In Egypt, it also helps to be able to read the arabic numerals — eastern arabic [0] that is.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabic_numerals#Comparison_of_...

Eastern Arabic ٠ ١ ٢ ٣ ٤ ٥ ٦ ٧ ٨ ٩ ١٠

Re: Agatha Christie could afford a maid and a nanny but not a car

#108
post #13

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Well, it's describing the iPad... with off-shored real-time tutoring providing most of the value. Even for the niche that can afford that (which should be larger than the niche that can afford in-person tutoring), I'm not aware of any services.

> with off-shored real-time tutoring providing most of the value Yes, a critical part of the Illustrated Primer was that it was paired with real-time tutoring by a remote human, and turned out to be most effective when the remote human was regularly the same person who cared for the child on the other end.

> it was paired with real-time tutoring by a remote human

That is not really true. The remote human only provided the voice. Miranda the character who ended up reading up the lines for Nell most definietly had no input into the direction the fictional story she read up had, nor she had the sophistication or the situational awerness to be considered the tutor.

The fictional technology has this strange twist that the AI in question can do the hard job of individualised training and emotional support, but can’t do local voice synthesis.

Just an example of what I mean to those who didn’t read the book: The fictional AI tutoring technology was manufactured for the educated grand-daughter of the CEO of a tech company. A copy of this AI gets to a poor, illiterate young girl who is physically abused by his step father. The AI manages to deduce this situation on its own and adapts to the changed circumstances (a situation which is lightyears away from the one it was developed for). It starts to teach the girl to read while also teaching her elementary martial art and survival skills. The AI on its own also decides when it is time for the girl to run and escape from the troubled home, knows how to evade security drones and etc. These are all conveyed through story beats in the fictional story read up to the girl by a remote actress true, but the remote actress (Miranda) is just a passive voice. In fact she suspects through the lines she has to read up that there is a girl somewhere out there who is in trouble, but she doesn’t know anything about her or how to even find her.

So no, in short this is nothing like “remote tutoring” as one would understand that.

Re: Agatha Christie could afford a maid and a nanny but not a car

#109
‘they hired a live-in maid for £36 ($2,600) per year’

It should be noted that in those days low-wage workers might spend half their income on food.* Presumably as a live-in maid her room and board were provided, so her compensation was not as low as her salary alone might imply.

*cf https://ahundredyearsago.com/2019/05/30/percentage-of-u-s-to...

Re: Agatha Christie could afford a maid and a nanny but not a car

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> “The full treatment, including surgery and chemotherapy, can reach between $8,000 and $10,000 for a dog or cat.” Meanwhile, full cancer treatment for a human can easily cost 100x that, because care for pets is a free market and care for humans is very far from it.

Also because many people are willing to let their pets pass rather than pay over $10k for treatments. The same cannot be said for people.
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