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Two weeks later David Bennett is alive, his pig’s heart beating soundly

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Re: Two weeks later David Bennett is alive, his pig’s heart beating soundly

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Post by kingcharles »

benatkin wrote: post #5

His victim's family (yes, really) doesn't like that he was the first to get a heart transplant. https://nypost.com/2022/01/13/historic-pig-heart-recipient-w... PETA doesn't like that anyone got a pig heart transplant. https://www.peta.org/media/news-releases/first-heart-transpl...

I was in jail with someone who had been given a life sentence. He needed a kidney transplant. He said there had been a lot of talk about giving a kidney to someone who was going to die in prison. He got the kidney transplant while he was locked up, and then he was later exonerated of the crime in an appeal.

I'm glad that he wasn't refused the kidney transplant simply because he was incarcerated, although I'm sure it happens.

Re: Two weeks later David Bennett is alive, his pig’s heart beating soundly

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Post by sgjohnson »

benatkin wrote: post #5

His victim's family (yes, really) doesn't like that he was the first to get a heart transplant. https://nypost.com/2022/01/13/historic-pig-heart-recipient-w... PETA doesn't like that anyone got a pig heart transplant. https://www.peta.org/media/news-releases/first-heart-transpl...

This is why we’ll never have a rehabilitative justice system. We don’t deserve it.

He was convicted in 1988 and sentenced to 10 years behind bars, probably served less so it’s likely that he’s been a free man for 25+ years.

It’s been over 30 years since the incident. Give the man a break.

Re: Two weeks later David Bennett is alive, his pig’s heart beating soundly

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Post by bamboozled »

sydthrowaway wrote: post #27

I am not a vegan but this is unethical

Anyone care to emphasize why this opinion should be down voted so heavily ?

It's ok to now breed animals for parts; However if someone questions the ethics of that, it's bad? Ridiculous...

Re: Two weeks later David Bennett is alive, his pig’s heart beating soundly

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Post by thehappypm »

sdenton4 wrote: post #13
oneepic wrote: post #4

Would have been interesting to hear what the feeling was like 2 weeks later (ie lethargic? walking alright? breathing well?) TFA only says he's alive "with his new heart beating soundly", which could mean a lot of things.

I think two weeks after heart surgery is never fun... A few days ago I noted that recovering from having your sternum broken open takes 6-8 weeks to be able to resume daily basic activities under the best circumstances.

When I was in high school we video chatted with a heart surgeon while he was doing heart surgery. It was an insane, incredible thing to see.

Re: Two weeks later David Bennett is alive, his pig’s heart beating soundly

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Post by thehappypm »

chana_masala wrote: post #38
sydthrowaway wrote: post #27

I am not a vegan but this is unethical

Maybe I can add some nuance as a vegan (I'm vegan btw, and I use Arch btw). I think that it's amazing that this is possible, but where it seems unethical to me is that there still are many other ways we could route heart transplants from willing humans. I think the only way I'd find this ethical is if the pig died from natural causes. But that probably complicates using the heart. If a pig is killed for food and then…

I disagree. This brings us back to tribal times; kill the animal or starve, or in this case, kill the animal or die of a heart attack.

Re: Two weeks later David Bennett is alive, his pig’s heart beating soundly

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Post by judge2020 »

bamboozled wrote: post #43
sydthrowaway wrote: post #27

I am not a vegan but this is unethical

Anyone care to emphasize why this opinion should be down voted so heavily ? It's ok to now breed animals for parts; However if someone questions the ethics of that, it's bad? Ridiculous...

Because they aren't questioning the ethics of this, they're stating their opinion on it without giving any reasoning why they feel that way.

Re: Two weeks later David Bennett is alive, his pig’s heart beating soundly

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Post by corobo »

bamboozled wrote: post #43
sydthrowaway wrote: post #27

I am not a vegan but this is unethical

Anyone care to emphasize why this opinion should be down voted so heavily ? It's ok to now breed animals for parts; However if someone questions the ethics of that, it's bad? Ridiculous...

> Anyone care to emphasize why this opinion should be down voted so heavily

Because they don’t say anything. They announced their belief and wandered off. Post could do with a “because” and another sentence or two

Can’t speak for everyone ofc but that was my reasoning. Nothing to do with the opinion my side, standard downvote behaviour for contentless comments

Re: Two weeks later David Bennett is alive, his pig’s heart beating soundly

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Post by kazinator »

benatkin wrote: post #5

His victim's family (yes, really) doesn't like that he was the first to get a heart transplant. https://nypost.com/2022/01/13/historic-pig-heart-recipient-w... PETA doesn't like that anyone got a pig heart transplant. https://www.peta.org/media/news-releases/first-heart-transpl...

Dude looks more like 77 than 57. Life-long stress, I'm guessing.

Re: Two weeks later David Bennett is alive, his pig’s heart beating soundly

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Post by burrows »

emptyparadise wrote: post #12
benatkin wrote: post #5

His victim's family (yes, really) doesn't like that he was the first to get a heart transplant. https://nypost.com/2022/01/13/historic-pig-heart-recipient-w... PETA doesn't like that anyone got a pig heart transplant. https://www.peta.org/media/news-releases/first-heart-transpl...

>“The key principle in medicine is to treat anyone who is sick, regardless of who they are,” said Arthur Caplan, a bioethics professor at New York University. “We are not in the business of sorting sinners from saints. Crime is a legal matter.” This is so simple and newspapers trying to make it into a matter for debate is actually compromising that.

> The key principle in medicine is to treat anyone who is sick, regardless of who they are.

The victims family is saying “Our principle is that people who stab Ed should not get a heart, therefore David should not get a heart.” The doctor is saying “Our principle is that we don’t use the patient’s past violence or convictions to determine whether they should get a heart or not, so the stabbing doesn’t disqualify David.”

Neither party can offer a valid argument as to why their principle is true, because both of their principles are normative.

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