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The old internet shows signs of quietly coming back

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Re: The old internet shows signs of quietly coming back

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Post by kravens_last »

hunterb123 wrote: post #119
gitfan86 wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes there are people with 100% good intentions working in this space. There were also people with 100% good intentions working at Theranos.

You're proving his point, there are also people with good/bad intentions working in "web2" and everywhere for that matter. Don't criticize the tech, criticize the individual bad actors, like you did with Theranos. One of the main talking points "web3" critics yell is "scams!", like they don't exist elsewhere. If you do want to criticize the tech, leave the moral crusade out of it and say technically what is wrong wit…

It's not an issue of simply having scams. The issue is that, by its very nature, the ratio of scams to legitimate functional work is likely 1 million to 1, and the entire ecosystem does not only revel in this, but actively encourages even more scam-like behavior. This all stems from blockchain as a concept's decision of baking in valuation to EVERYTHING.

It's the purest distillation of the "greater fool theory" in human history.

I'd rebuke your framing of leaving the morality of it aside. The more valid framing of a debate for new technology should be to prove that there are non scam-like applications of the technology that are superior to currently existing ones.

Re: The old internet shows signs of quietly coming back

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Post by [deleted] »

Melatonic wrote: post #82
jackson1442 wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I got bored the other day and thought it would be funny to make a copy of the most expensive NFT and set that as my Twitter profile picture because they added that silly feature. So I downloaded MetaMask, got everything set up, and went to one of the NFT marketplaces to try to make one. Uploaded the image and got a big scary warning: > (paraphrased; I don't have a screenshot) This image was found too many times on th…

I think NFT's are just the equivelent of those that use the fine art world for tax avoidance. Web 3.1 is probably coming but it is going to be something we have not fully figured out yet

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Re: The old internet shows signs of quietly coming back

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Post by corobo »

throwhauser wrote: post #48
WesolyKubeczek wrote: post #43

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By not collecting data it has no need for, and not passing that data on to third parties? By providing an ability to delete any user account, and for editing any personal information? By not using EBCDIC to store said information? Are you making this more complicated than it needs to be?

> Are you making this more complicated than it needs to be? I'm not sure. I guess if one trusts the default logging settings on the server software to be compliant, and only uses static HTML, maybe that's adequate? But as soon as any third-party code or data provided by some other server gets involved, it's hard to know what might be logged elsewhere as a result of visiting your site. I mean, would an old-fashioned w…

You can +1 a database `views` column without storing anything at all about the user. If you’re just doing that you’re good to go

Re: The old internet shows signs of quietly coming back

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Post by johannes1234321 »

matheusmoreira wrote: post #39
throwhauser wrote: post #34

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How can a small website cope with GDPR compliance though? The rules that sprang up to constrain the social-media behemoths seem onerous for anyone but them to comply with.

All you have to do is not collect any data. Don't set any cookies.

Setting cookies is fine. If they are needed.

You need a session cookie for the login function the user uses? - Use a cookie. No banner needed.

The user puts something in their shopping basket? - Use a session cookie. No banner needed.

You want to store information, not required, in order to identify the user again even though they didn't login, maybe to share the identity with an ad network? - You need a cookie banner where the user can opt out easily.

Re: The old internet shows signs of quietly coming back

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Post by [deleted] »

WesolyKubeczek wrote: post #117
lol768 wrote: post #58

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> Are you making this more complicated than it needs to be? A large proportion of folks on HN seem to think GDPR is "out to get" everyone rather than a set of common sense regulations that should not at all be a concern for an individual who's serving a blog or personal site and doing nothing to collect PII/track their visitors. I don't understand why this view is so prevalent.

Companies whose bottom lines are affected by GDPR are screaming that it's too difficult to understand and apply. Many HackerNews, especially for some reason North American ones, are parroting what they hear in this echo chamber without giving it a glimpse of a thought. I think we underestimate the power of PR way too often. Last I've read GDPR itself it's been way clearer than any of the Terms of Service written by t…

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Re: The old internet shows signs of quietly coming back

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Post by Barrin92 »

aluminussoma wrote: post #31

The Internet today feels like a big box strip mall in suburbia. While visiting my home town, I looked for a local, independent hardware store. There was only Home Depot and Lowe's. Then I realize how few independent businesses were left. On the Internet, you have Google, Amazon, Reddit, Facebook, Twitter. Much of the good content is hidden in their secret gardens (Facebook, Twitter, and increasingly Reddit). Discover…

I think this is exactly the wrong way around. Discoverability is the cause of the destruction of original content on the internet, because as soon as something is discoverable it turns commercial and mainstream and gets blown up.

Niche internet communities could exist when they weren't discoverable because that was the only reason people who mess them up stayed out of them. Keyword 'Eternal September'.

The internet is now almost entirely transparent and everything that is transparent is uninteresting, because the eyes of everyone are on it, and nothing that's actually fun ever happens in public.

Re: The old internet shows signs of quietly coming back

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Post by Animats »

steelstraw wrote: post #64
pavlov wrote: post #30

> 'Some people use the term "Web 3.0" to refer only to decentralized blockchain-based networks without considering that all personal websites have essentially the same goals, be they on the regular Internet or on the new blockchain networks. Those who use the term "web 3.0" seem to have forgotten that self-hosted personal websites that run on home servers and are accessible over the regular Internet are inherently de…

Vitalik's response to Moxie is worth a read: https://np.reddit.com/r/ethereum/comments/ryk3it/my_first_im...

Buterin: "Moxie's critiques in the second half of the post strike me as having a correct criticism of the current state of the ecosystem (where (1), (2), (7) and (8) are the only things that we have working code for), but they are missing where the blockchain ecosystem is going."

Right. In other words, what we have now sucks, but you shouldn't criticize it because we have this proposed scheme which might be better.

Re: The old internet shows signs of quietly coming back

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Post by drdeca »

graycat wrote: post #114
pavlov wrote: post #30

> 'Some people use the term "Web 3.0" to refer only to decentralized blockchain-based networks without considering that all personal websites have essentially the same goals, be they on the regular Internet or on the new blockchain networks. Those who use the term "web 3.0" seem to have forgotten that self-hosted personal websites that run on home servers and are accessible over the regular Internet are inherently de…

I'm no fan of NFT (non-fungible tokens) crypto and do not now, never have, never intend to own any, but, and maybe part of Web3 , am guessing at some useful purpose -- a convenient, low overhead, way to move many small amounts of money to pay for Internet usage. E.g., Sam runs a Web site and wants to charge each user some small amount, say, $0.001 up to $0.10, including users in foreign countries, for each visit. Sam…

This seems to be, disregarding the entire meaning of "non-fungible" ?

NFT doesn't mean "token". If you just mean "token", say "token"?

Unless you mean like, "tokens which represent a fractional share of a particular NFT" ? But why would you use this as the thing to denominate payment in?

If Joe has $5 worth of something, and Carl has another $5 worth of the same thing, and outcomes are equivalent if they swap what they have, then, the thing they have is fungible.

Re: The old internet shows signs of quietly coming back

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Post by BlueTemplar »

Melatonic wrote: post #82
jackson1442 wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I got bored the other day and thought it would be funny to make a copy of the most expensive NFT and set that as my Twitter profile picture because they added that silly feature. So I downloaded MetaMask, got everything set up, and went to one of the NFT marketplaces to try to make one. Uploaded the image and got a big scary warning: > (paraphrased; I don't have a screenshot) This image was found too many times on th…

I think NFT's are just the equivelent of those that use the fine art world for tax avoidance. Web 3.1 is probably coming but it is going to be something we have not fully figured out yet

We better figure it out before we hit Web 3.11 for Workgroups !

Re: The old internet shows signs of quietly coming back

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Post by dogline »

letsburnthis wrote: post #123

Have the definitions of web 1.0 and 2.0 authoritatively been decided? The general idea I've seen has been that web 1.0 was decentralized and web 2.0 is centralized, but it seems kind of odd to separate the generations of something as impactful as the internet the same way you would separate generations of the iphone. It almost seems like it would make more sense to define generations at the same scale as the internet…

How I've seen it:

Web 1.0: Let's serve web pages

Web 2.0: Let's serve REST APIs, and have Javascript to all the formatting

Web 3.0: Let's get rid of DNS and have GUIDs/Crypto/something

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