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James Webb telescope reaches its final destination in space, million miles away

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Re: James Webb telescope reaches its final destination in space, million miles away

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Not necessarily. Larger payloads (and maybe some trajectories) forego the reusability of the rocket (even Falcon Heavy)

Good point, but it's one major reason why SpaceX makes the news (also Crew Dragon) and Arianespace doesn't, even if it doesn't apply in every instance. If SpaceX was simply doing the same thing as everyone else has for 60 yrs, no one would care, I don't understand why people think they're the same thing

You don't think it has something to do with Elon Musk's self-promotion and large cult? Quick, who is the CEO of Arianespace? Who is heading up the SLS project?

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It's not only position, also deformation by pulling or pushing on the center of the mirror changing it's curvature.

I can't fathom how they have a servo, a linear actuator, or anything else, that can apply pressure to the mirror and keep it there, for years , in the most extreme environments. Every component of this thing is mind bending.

"Cryogenic Nano-Actuator for JWST" https://www.esmats.eu/amspapers/pastpapers/pdfs/2006/warden....

Re: James Webb telescope reaches its final destination in space, million miles away

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It's not only position, also deformation by pulling or pushing on the center of the mirror changing it's curvature.

I can't fathom how they have a servo, a linear actuator, or anything else, that can apply pressure to the mirror and keep it there, for years , in the most extreme environments. Every component of this thing is mind bending.

Here's a good paper on the mirror actuators [1]. Skimming, they look like hexapod rotary stepper architecture that would not need power to hold a position, only to change position.

[1] https://www.esmats.eu/amspapers/pastpapers/pdfs/2006/warden....

Re: James Webb telescope reaches its final destination in space, million miles away

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> I'm not aware of what we've learned from the International Space Station If you watch videos of the people on the space station you begin to be reminded of "remote hands" in a data center. The space station is like a colo-facility that houses science experiments instead of racks of computers. The people on board seem to exist as "remote hands" that maintain those science experiments for whatever science team is on…

Have there been any interesting breakthroughs or findings from the science done aboard the ISS?

Oodles. NASA puts out reports every once in a while detailing the benefits of the ISS.

Some of them are not too surprising. For example looking at hurricanes from space helps you predict where they will go.

I think the medical research is pretty interesting though. Of course a lot of the medical research is focused on the sorts of things that happen to people living in space for long periods of time. But there's also interesting experiments where microgravity has enabled medical advances that'll help people here on Earth.

On the "curing cancer" front, there's been a lot of exciting developments over the last few decades in immunotherapy, which tends to have milder side-effects than chemo. The monoclonal antibody Keytruda is used to treat a BUNCH of different cancers, but has some downsides: it's a pain to store (needs to be refrigerated, limited shelf life), and it has to be administered intravenously (takes more effort, leads to side-effects, not fun for patients). Thanks to lessons learned creating suspensions of the medicine in microgravity, Merck is currently testing a version of Keytruda that can be delivered as a quick shot.

As another example, TAS‐205 (a treatment for muscular dystrophy) is starting phase 3 trials after promising results in a smaller study. However if it eventually becomes an approved medicine, it'll probably be 20-30 years after the original protein experiments were done on the ISS

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Calling the Space Shuttle "mostly reusable" is laughable. It cost 1.5 billion dollars per launch [1] whereas a reused Falcon 9 costs 50 million to launch. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_the_Space_Shuttle... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falcon_9

I don't get the need to bag on the Shuttle program here. The Shuttle was designed nearly 50 years ago with drastically different requirements and stakeholders.

It's not that the Shuttle wasn't an absolutely astonishing display of engineering proficiency - it was - it's that if that money had gone into a Falcon-9 style rocket instead, we would all be much better off now in 2022.

Re: James Webb telescope reaches its final destination in space, million miles away

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> the US Navy even let him on a multi-day tour of a nuclear submarine and tape classified information (later redacted) They _paid_ him to tour it. It was a marketing event for the US Navy to drive recruitment.

In the first video in the series Destin himself says the Navy did not pay him. https://youtu.be/5d6SEQQbwtU&t=2m47s I do recall him mentioning his own biases and conflicts of interest at some point but I don’t recall what series that was a part of.

This might be it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOTYgcdNrXE

From 2019: "For the last 15 years I have worked for the Army Test Evaluation Command."

Re: James Webb telescope reaches its final destination in space, million miles away

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I'm a little embarrassed to say this and I don't know exactly what I pictured in my head, but I had no idea these telescopes were so big[1]. I guess I never saw one pictured next to a human. I've only seen pictures of satellites being worked on so I expected something more human sized? It seems so stupid now, especially since earth telescopes are huge. [1] https://svs.gsfc.nasa.gov/vis/a010000/a013500/a013522/JWST_v.…

I'm surprised that JWST isn't actually all that much bulkier than Hubble, despite the mirror(s) being so much larger. In retrospect I guess that makes sense, since much of Hubble's bulk is the long tube enclosing the mirror, which JWST lacks. Also, the size of things that can be reasonably launched into space is limited by the launch vehicles themselves. (Maybe NASA would have built it bigger if they knew exactly the launch vehicle specs that would be available at the end of 2021, or they might have waited for Starship, but obviously that couldn't have been predicted when work on JWST began.)

Re: James Webb telescope reaches its final destination in space, million miles away

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I'm a little embarrassed to say this and I don't know exactly what I pictured in my head, but I had no idea these telescopes were so big[1]. I guess I never saw one pictured next to a human. I've only seen pictures of satellites being worked on so I expected something more human sized? It seems so stupid now, especially since earth telescopes are huge. [1] https://svs.gsfc.nasa.gov/vis/a010000/a013500/a013522/JWST_v.…

I'm surprised that JWST isn't actually all that much bulkier than Hubble, despite the mirror(s) being so much larger. In retrospect I guess that makes sense, since much of Hubble's bulk is the long tube enclosing the mirror, which JWST lacks. Also, the size of things that can be reasonably launched into space is limited by the launch vehicles themselves. (Maybe NASA would have built it bigger if they knew exactly the…

They're mostly limited by the size of the nose that goes on the rocket, which sadly hasn't advanced much in the past few decades. They were able to get a much larger mirror on there using a ton of clever engineering and folding, but the overall structure size is mostly limited by the payload size limit.

Re: James Webb telescope reaches its final destination in space, million miles away

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I'm surprised that JWST isn't actually all that much bulkier than Hubble, despite the mirror(s) being so much larger. In retrospect I guess that makes sense, since much of Hubble's bulk is the long tube enclosing the mirror, which JWST lacks. Also, the size of things that can be reasonably launched into space is limited by the launch vehicles themselves. (Maybe NASA would have built it bigger if they knew exactly the…

They're mostly limited by the size of the nose that goes on the rocket, which sadly hasn't advanced much in the past few decades. They were able to get a much larger mirror on there using a ton of clever engineering and folding, but the overall structure size is mostly limited by the payload size limit.

Starship would supposedly fit the unfolded mirror as a single piece. There has been discussion in actually using starship itself as the structure for a future telescope.
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