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The Great Resignation? More Like the Great Renegotiation

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Post by codekansas »

curiousllama wrote: post #207

> But there are growing fears of a wage-price spiral in which workers, seeing rising prices, demand higher pay — and companies, having to pay their workers more, start charging higher prices. These higher prices lead workers to demand even higher pay, leading companies to charge higher prices, and so on. It's the inflationary cycle of nightmares. Can someone explain to me how this works? I'd assume wages to prices ar…

Presumably if the meat packers also raise wages to keep up with inflation, they will have to charge McDonald’s higher prices for patties. Similarly for lettuce growers, beverage bottlers, etc. All these would put small amounts of pressure on the price of a burger. If the ultimate price ends up going from 2$ to 3$, suddenly the 10$ to 15$ wage hike doesn’t mean anything (except for people who didn’t get the wage hike in the first place).

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Post by jtbayly »

fragmede wrote: post #293
jtbayly wrote: post #269

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And you’ll still be surprised that even though you’re in a higher tax bracket, your standard of living actually went down.

That's not how the progressive tax system in America works.

It is when inflation is high, which is exactly what we are talking about.

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Post by hnaccount141 »

marcusverus wrote: post #162
hnaccount141 wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In both of these cases "we" is a group of thousands of people with varying opinions. There are absolutely plenty of people who very much believe in defunding the police and ending work. As both movements have grown more popular we've naturally seen more people who agree with the general spirit of the movement but hold more moderate views.

The apologetics are always entertaining. "True, the subreddit is called /r/antiwork. And yes, their motto (right at the top of their page) is "Antiwork: Unemployment for all, not just the rich!". But is it fair to call them "Anti-work"? Have you considered their moderate membership?"

I'll definitely agree that that motto and indeed the name of the sub itself are not at all representative of the current state of the sub. It didn't start out that way, but over time as it grew it attracted people who just enjoyed the "shit on your boss" aspect of it without understanding the original message.

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Post by lostlogin »

melenaboija wrote: post #279
claudiulodro wrote: post #235

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Approximately 159 million economic impact payments, totaling more than $376 billion, have gone out to eligible recipients in the last month — and the majority of that money continues to be spent on groceries, rent and other monthly bills, according to a new survey released Wednesday. [1] The vast majority of the stimulus money was spent on bills, not frivolity. [1] https://www.nbcnews.com/business/business-news/how…

Also is even painful to me to think about frivolities and how people spend money when seeing things like this. “Lamborghini had its most profitable year ever during the coronavirus pandemic”[1] Each of this cars may be something like 5 years of average salary in US. [1] https://europe.autonews.com/automakers/lamborghini-had-its-m...

Surely the much smaller individual sums spent on something like Xbox consoles is far greater in the aggregate than a few Lambos?

As soon as you get into rating the worthiness of a spend it becomes a bit puritanical.

The ironic thing is that I mostly agree with you, but judging others ‘wasted’ spend is too slippery a slope to go down.

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Post by ajkjk »

steelstraw wrote: post #28
softwaredoug wrote: post #3

> spectacles like the immense popularity of the "Anti-Work" thread on Reddit — have gone as far as to suggest this record-breaking trend is a movement of young, able-bodied Americans rejecting work altogether. I don't think this is the point of "anti work". The point is (to me) that people should be treated equitably at work and that work shouldn't be the center of our lives

What's up with all the language games lately? "Defund the police". No no, we don't actually mean defund the police... "Anti work". No no, we don't actually mean we're anti work...

The most inflammatory expression wins out via natural selection, because the others are less repeated and retweeted.

Anyway, "Anti work" may as well be parsed as "Anti The-Kind-Of-Bullshit-Work-We've-Been-Doing". A totally reasonable interpretation.

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Post by wonderwonder »

boring_twenties wrote: post #266
wonderwonder wrote: post #248

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems like companies are really having a hard time understanding that people are not going to just take financial hits out of loyalty to a company anymore. Companies still appear to be of the mindset that they can give small cost of living increases and people will stick around for years in hopes of getting promoted. With inflation at 9%, getting a 20% raise after 2 years with a promotion essentially just sets you…

> Why would anyone stick around for that? Lots of reasons. First of all, job hunting takes time and effort. If you're rusty at interviewing and need some practice, then even more so. People that have kids or other responsibilities outside of work have even less of both available. On top of that you have to face rejection, which for many people is emotionally difficult. Secondly, even if everything goes well, it's sti…

I have kids and need a raise each year to afford to buy them the things they need while still having a hope of retiring one day.

"The new job might seem great at first, then turn out to be a nightmare a couple of months in"

This is pretty much most of my jobs. The current one is probably the nicest I have had in a long time but I still need a raise as the thought of working until 65 just to be old and then die fills me with existential dread.

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Post by slothtrop »

steelstraw wrote: post #28
softwaredoug wrote: post #3

> spectacles like the immense popularity of the "Anti-Work" thread on Reddit — have gone as far as to suggest this record-breaking trend is a movement of young, able-bodied Americans rejecting work altogether. I don't think this is the point of "anti work". The point is (to me) that people should be treated equitably at work and that work shouldn't be the center of our lives

What's up with all the language games lately? "Defund the police". No no, we don't actually mean defund the police... "Anti work". No no, we don't actually mean we're anti work...

Yep, misleading buzzwords used as rhetorical devices. Their use reveals intent not to further understanding, but to create discord. The media loves it, op-eds can keep attacking strawmen and people basically talk past each other.

"cultural appropriation" - no no, we mean cultural appropriation but from minorities (it's amusing that the popular definitions you see of cultural appropriation have cultural appropriation in it).

"white fragility" - no no, we don't mean white people are fragile but that some are uncomfortable talking about race issues

If you have to explain what your shitty buzzword means every time, then it's not designed to convey your bait-and-switch definition.

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Post by SauciestGNU »

oats wrote: post #16
capableweb wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you go to r/AntiWork on Reddit and read their sidebar, it's fairly easy to understand what the point is: > A subreddit for those who want to end work, are curious about ending work, want to get the most out of a work-free life, want more information on anti-work ideas and want personal help with their own jobs/work-related struggles.

That's what's in the sidebar, but a quick browsing of the posts in there suggests a more socialist bent to me.

The subreddit was founded by anarcho-socialists and is run with that philosophy in mind, it's no big secret.

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Post by wonderwonder »

giantg2 wrote: post #300
monkpit wrote: post #280

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They might be referring to inflation in their specific area or in their specific budget. I don’t think you can apply average national or global inflation rates to an individual in a specific location.

That's why I'm asking how it was 10%

Inflation was 7%. Most of my diet is meat which is up ~20%. Also if you want to do some home improvement like put in a pool, that's up 20 - 25%.
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