> spectacles like the immense popularity of the "Anti-Work" thread on Reddit — have gone as far as to suggest this record-breaking trend is a movement of young, able-bodied Americans rejecting work altogether. I don't think this is the point of "anti work". The point is (to me) that people should be treated equitably at work and that work shouldn't be the center of our lives
What's up with all the language games lately? "Defund the police". No no, we don't actually mean defund the police... "Anti work". No no, we don't actually mean we're anti work...
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#62Earlier quoted context omitted.
What's up with all the language games lately? "Defund the police". No no, we don't actually mean defund the police... "Anti work". No no, we don't actually mean we're anti work...
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What's the antidote? There can be new names for anything, but it's hard to get them to stick.
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#63> spectacles like the immense popularity of the "Anti-Work" thread on Reddit — have gone as far as to suggest this record-breaking trend is a movement of young, able-bodied Americans rejecting work altogether. I don't think this is the point of "anti work". The point is (to me) that people should be treated equitably at work and that work shouldn't be the center of our lives
What's up with all the language games lately? "Defund the police". No no, we don't actually mean defund the police... "Anti work". No no, we don't actually mean we're anti work...
The sub was originally anarchists who literally believe in not working - read the linked posts in the sidebar. It was taken over by socialists but the name stuck.
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This is roughly the equivalent of a reporter quoting a tweet as “people are saying”. Anti work is angry about work conditions, there doesn’t seem to be any evidence that they’re all quitting to lounge about. In fact, there are tons of stories there about people quitting bad jobs to get better jobs.
So would you say that they aren't actually... anti work?
It’s complicated. They’re clearly frustrated with the pay and working conditions typical with work these days. But I’ve seen no evidence of people going on the dole or retiring there. By and far the most common commentary there is people advising each other of their legal rights around how bosses treat them.
Like most of Reddit, the style and rhetorical flourishes are over the top. But the substance being posted does not seem to match what a surface analysis would imply.
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#65The “great resignation” was always suspect. Think about it - who would take care of all those people in the western world. I could see it happening in Asian cultures, but in the west? Nah. It’s not in us. I mean seriously, did we ever check ourselves to think that people would just stay home? Sure a certain percentage will — and that’s actually a good thing, especially families where both mom and dad worked. Since th…
> So back to work you lazy bums!!
IMO most people want to work and be productive, but they don't want to be exploited.
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The phrase “great resignation” also implies that people are just quitting, when in reality they’re changing jobs. The unemployment rate is lower than it’s been in a decade (except a month or two here and there), people who are resigning are getting new jobs.
The unemployment rate, by definition, wouldn't capture people who are quitting the labor force entirely.
U-6, which covers people who have been temporarily discouraged from working but want to come back is 7.3%.
If anything is keeping people out of the work force, it’s childcare issues, not anti-work.
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What's up with all the language games lately? "Defund the police". No no, we don't actually mean defund the police... "Anti work". No no, we don't actually mean we're anti work...
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There is a fairly good point here that when people argue that politician X is defunding the military or defunding schools, nobody assumes that they mean that they've ended public education or disbarred the military.
We have a general social understanding of the word "defund" that also encapsulates "moving money/responsibilities from one department to another one." So it feels a little bit like a double standard to in this case assume that it necessarily means complete abolition.
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If you go to r/AntiWork on Reddit and read their sidebar, it's fairly easy to understand what the point is: > A subreddit for those who want to end work, are curious about ending work, want to get the most out of a work-free life, want more information on anti-work ideas and want personal help with their own jobs/work-related struggles.
That's what's in the sidebar, but a quick browsing of the posts in there suggests a more socialist bent to me.
I mean the Venn diagram of people who say they want to “end work” and the people whose worldview aligns perfectly with socialism is essentially a circle. That’s not new.
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#69"The Great Resignation" feels a bit like a phrase that folks have grasped on to and just attach the narrative they want to believe to it. Constant articles and such with very little data. Very frustrating as a reader. The idea that amid a pandemic and such that there are a variety of reasons seems backed up by the data, although I admit that's what I'm inclined to believe / seen.
> Constant articles and such with very little data. Very frustrating as a reader. Actual resignations are up slightly, but the idea that employees are quitting in droves is exaggerated. It’s higher than normal turnover, but the stories are written in ways to suggest that companies everywhere are gutted by employees leaving in bulk. I feel like “great resignation” was deliberately chosen to mislead people into thinkin…
Anecdotally from talking to a lot of people who are hiring, people who accept the going rates for work are having no problem hiring. People who are shocked at what workers can ask for right now and try to resist the change are having very little success hiring, whether it's software engineers or subcontractors or lab assistants.
With service workers, resistance to paying what it takes has a compounding effect, because being short-staffed forces people to pick up the slack for missing coworkers, and they end up burning out and quitting, or leaving for another job where the wages are better and the stress is lower.
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#70The “great resignation” was always suspect. Think about it - who would take care of all those people in the western world. I could see it happening in Asian cultures, but in the west? Nah. It’s not in us. I mean seriously, did we ever check ourselves to think that people would just stay home? Sure a certain percentage will — and that’s actually a good thing, especially families where both mom and dad worked. Since th…
> Sure a certain percentage will 10-15% of the workers quitting is enough! If 2 of my 13 employees quit at the same time, I will have to start working 65-80 hours a week.
Or maybe reprioritize what work needs to be done? Losing two employees in quick succession for whatever reason doesn't seem like a rare event at a company.