I like this framing. This is 10+ years of pay and quality of life increases for many, all coming at once. Or, at least, the improvement is just now restarting.
Folks should renegotiate. Good on them.
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#42> spectacles like the immense popularity of the "Anti-Work" thread on Reddit — have gone as far as to suggest this record-breaking trend is a movement of young, able-bodied Americans rejecting work altogether. I don't think this is the point of "anti work". The point is (to me) that people should be treated equitably at work and that work shouldn't be the center of our lives
This is roughly the equivalent of a reporter quoting a tweet as “people are saying”. Anti work is angry about work conditions, there doesn’t seem to be any evidence that they’re all quitting to lounge about. In fact, there are tons of stories there about people quitting bad jobs to get better jobs.
So would you say that they aren't actually... anti work?
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#43I think too its a result of 30 years where employers have had the upper hand in the job market (except perhaps 1999, 2008). Wages have stagnated during these decades, it seems finally maybe wages can catch up.
Wages are going to have to go up. House prices aren't going to come down, rent isn't going to come down, used car prices may come down but not to levels in the before times and only if new car prices don't skyrocket, food won't come down. It's getting very expensive to meet the ends. Wages will have to go up. When ppl think things aren't fair, they revolt.
So.. inflation?
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#44> spectacles like the immense popularity of the "Anti-Work" thread on Reddit — have gone as far as to suggest this record-breaking trend is a movement of young, able-bodied Americans rejecting work altogether. I don't think this is the point of "anti work". The point is (to me) that people should be treated equitably at work and that work shouldn't be the center of our lives
What's up with all the language games lately? "Defund the police". No no, we don't actually mean defund the police... "Anti work". No no, we don't actually mean we're anti work...
It's catchy, it attracts attention, and it makes people learn what the movement is about.
It's one thing to say "defund the police", and it's another to say "penalize police brutality, take police funds and use them to fund social workers trained to disarm situations without using violence, etc."
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#45> spectacles like the immense popularity of the "Anti-Work" thread on Reddit — have gone as far as to suggest this record-breaking trend is a movement of young, able-bodied Americans rejecting work altogether. I don't think this is the point of "anti work". The point is (to me) that people should be treated equitably at work and that work shouldn't be the center of our lives
From the posts I have read in /r/antiwork I would not like to employ any of the posters, I would not want to be a coworker to any of them either. I'm not convinced that the world needs to have everyone working, but if it comes down to a shortage of food, healthcare or consumable goods, the workers should be fed before the slackers.
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#46> spectacles like the immense popularity of the "Anti-Work" thread on Reddit — have gone as far as to suggest this record-breaking trend is a movement of young, able-bodied Americans rejecting work altogether. I don't think this is the point of "anti work". The point is (to me) that people should be treated equitably at work and that work shouldn't be the center of our lives
What's up with all the language games lately? "Defund the police". No no, we don't actually mean defund the police... "Anti work". No no, we don't actually mean we're anti work...
To be fair /r/antiwork USED to be actually be about not working and discussions on how that might be accomplished(ex UBI or government works programs). But as it got more popular it quickly turned into what it is today, which is mostly fake screenshots of people telling their bosses off.
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#47Earlier quoted context omitted.
That's what's in the sidebar, but a quick browsing of the posts in there suggests a more socialist bent to me.
Yeah, as it got more popular during the pandemic it was quickly co-opted into more of a pro-workers rights subreddit, and nowadays it's mostly people posting clearly fake screenshots of themselves telling their bosses off over text for to farm karma.
That subreddit changed its rules recently; now screenshots of text-message conversations are only allowed on Sundays.
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#48> spectacles like the immense popularity of the "Anti-Work" thread on Reddit — have gone as far as to suggest this record-breaking trend is a movement of young, able-bodied Americans rejecting work altogether. I don't think this is the point of "anti work". The point is (to me) that people should be treated equitably at work and that work shouldn't be the center of our lives
What's up with all the language games lately? "Defund the police". No no, we don't actually mean defund the police... "Anti work". No no, we don't actually mean we're anti work...
Lately? Catchy slogans have always been a thing.
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#49The “great resignation” was always suspect. Think about it - who would take care of all those people in the western world. I could see it happening in Asian cultures, but in the west? Nah. It’s not in us. I mean seriously, did we ever check ourselves to think that people would just stay home? Sure a certain percentage will — and that’s actually a good thing, especially families where both mom and dad worked. Since th…
> Sure a certain percentage will
10-15% of the workers quitting is enough! If 2 of my 13 employees quit at the same time, I will have to start working 65-80 hours a week.
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#50> spectacles like the immense popularity of the "Anti-Work" thread on Reddit — have gone as far as to suggest this record-breaking trend is a movement of young, able-bodied Americans rejecting work altogether. I don't think this is the point of "anti work". The point is (to me) that people should be treated equitably at work and that work shouldn't be the center of our lives
What's up with all the language games lately? "Defund the police". No no, we don't actually mean defund the police... "Anti work". No no, we don't actually mean we're anti work...
It's a sophist play on emotions. I don't think there's actual malice behind it, though. More that people struggle to assert themselves and provide direct, well-reasoned arguments. So, exaggerating or throwing meaning away altogether is an easy alternative. It is also particularly useful in obscuring a lack of any sort of coherent plan or proposed action(s) when one is angry/frustrated/etc.
To some extent I also believe it's natural to try to elicit an emotional response from the other "side," because then you can focus on attacking their words, tone, character, etc instead of engaging in reasoned discourse and debate. You get a bit of an automatic advantage if your opponent is already in an emotionally charged state. From what I've seen, the phrases you mention are pretty good at that too.
All of this ends up doing more harm than good most, if not all, of the time.