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AlphaFold-Powered Drug Discovery of a Novel CDK20 Inhibitor

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Re: AlphaFold-Powered Drug Discovery of a Novel CDK20 Inhibitor

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Very, very, very far away. This paper is about target selection and hit identification, the very first steps of the pipeline. What follows is Backbone optimization (tweaking the chemistry, and figuring out how to actually produce it), pre-clinical trials (in cells and later in animals), and should those prove successful (fairly unlikely in general), then we'll have clinical phases 1-3. Each of those will take several…

I don't think 8.9 uM is a terribly good active concentration for a drug, so there is a lot of work to be done here.

I know CDK20 is a difficult target, otherwise presenting results where your best hit is at 9μM would be pretty disappointing.

It would be interesting to see the Kd values for the other CDK family members, there's no mention at all of specificity in their paper.

Re: AlphaFold-Powered Drug Discovery of a Novel CDK20 Inhibitor

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post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think 8.9 uM is a terribly good active concentration for a drug, so there is a lot of work to be done here.

I know CDK20 is a difficult target, otherwise presenting results where your best hit is at 9μM would be pretty disappointing. It would be interesting to see the Kd values for the other CDK family members, there's no mention at all of specificity in their paper.

Yeah, this is kind of a "dancing bear" paper. The point is not that the bear dances well, it's that it can dance at all.

Re: AlphaFold-Powered Drug Discovery of a Novel CDK20 Inhibitor

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Very cool. It's hard to read the tea leaves of the author affiliation list, but it sure looks like this work was led by a Hong Kong-based startup founded by Russians, with limited assistance from a couple North America-based researchers. I'm curious why those Russians may have chosen to found in HK rather than, say, the Bay Area. We may want to contemplate what this means for America's competitive stance (not that I…

It's pretty hard for Russians to get US visas for startups. They probably went to HK because that's a far easier place to build a team.

Russians in particular?

Re: AlphaFold-Powered Drug Discovery of a Novel CDK20 Inhibitor

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It's pretty hard for Russians to get US visas for startups. They probably went to HK because that's a far easier place to build a team.

Russians in particular?

I don't know if you've heard, but Russia and the USA haven't been best buddies for quite some time...

Re: AlphaFold-Powered Drug Discovery of a Novel CDK20 Inhibitor

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Can someone explain for people who aren't good at biology what are the implications of this "novel CDK inhibitor"? Is this news only because of the discovery method (i.e. AI-based), or is it significant news in and of itself (i.e. this novel CDK20 inhibitor is/could be a big deal)?

Regarding the biology:

- One of the strategies in drug development is to find a protein that is more present in people who have a disease versus those who don't (called "overexpressed" proteins), and attempt to stop this protein from work correctly (called "inhibition") by having a small molecule drugs that binds to a specific site of the protein (called the "allosteric site") in order to make it mechanically unable to execute its function.

- Cyclin-dependent protein kinases (CDKs) are a family of proteins that seem to play important roles in controlling cell division. CDK20 is overexpressed in a number of cancers.

Regarding the novelty:

- Discovering new inhibitors of proteins based on AI is definitely less novel than it was 5 years ago - while it's definitely still not the norm, AI is making big waves in the pharmaceutical industry. However, I think this might be the first publication validating the use of Alphafold for small molecule drug development, which is a major step forward.

- While it's interesting to see that it's possible to design a small-molecule CDK20 inhibitor, it's currently still very uncertain whether this is a promising drug: i. the compound could be insufficiently specific to CDK20 and could bind to other important proteins and cause unwanted and potentially serious side-effects, ii. the compound could have bad "drug-like" properties (e.g. bioaccumulate in the liver) or be toxic in some way, iii. the compound could interact badly with other drugs that cancer patients receive, iv. the compound could induce resistance (a common problem in small molecule drugs in oncology), and finally, and most importantly, v. the drug might just not be effective at treating cancer or any other diseases - it's not because a protein is over-expressed that it's the cause of a cancer, but rather a symptom of another biological dysregulation.

Still, it's definitely an achievement, and I applaud the efforts of the team and hope they'll find successful treatments.

Re: AlphaFold-Powered Drug Discovery of a Novel CDK20 Inhibitor

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I think this is explained pretty well in the paper: "...hepatocellular carcinoma (HCC) was nominated as the indication of interest due to its high prevalence in liver cancers and lack of effective treatments. In general, by analysis of text and OMICs data from 10 database for hepatocellular carcinoma, PandaOmics provides a top list of 20 targets after multiple dimensions filtration, including novelty, accessibility b…

I'm too dumb to understand that. For people like me, after some Googling, I got: hepatocellular carcinoma is a rare form of liver cancer (affecting less than 200k people in the US per year). CDK20 is strongly associated with that cancer / disease. This molecule inhibits CDK20 - so it might help people with hepatocellular carcinoma. But I'm dumb and know nothing, so that someone correct me if I'm completely wrong. I t…

"HCC is the third leading cause of cancer-related deaths worldwide."[1]

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hepatocellular_carcinoma

Re: AlphaFold-Powered Drug Discovery of a Novel CDK20 Inhibitor

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I agree with the sentiment of this paper (AF can enable drug discovery), but in this specific instance, the authors had a real opportunity contribute a general finding to the scientific community but instead they put in the lowest amount of effort (to a point where they're almost saying nothing at all).

The target had dozens of related structures in the protein databank, including relatives with ~40% sequence identity. This target family has a very similar structure, and conserved active site residues. It's relevant that this target has approved cross-CDK family inhibitors (and thousands of data points of CDK family binders on ChEMBL). The conventional way to enable structure-based design is to build a homology model using a similar structure (see here: https://swissmodel.expasy.org/repository/uniprot/Q8IZL9?temp...), and in this case, there is very low deviation from the AF2 model and this "old fashioned" approach.

To recap, this target had a decent model that would have likely sufficed for drug discovery. The community already knows that "homology models" can be used for structure-based drug design, so any methodological hypotheses of this paper are not supported by evidence.

Re: AlphaFold-Powered Drug Discovery of a Novel CDK20 Inhibitor

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Would a greater amount of nonspecific cancer funding have allowed this specific discovery to be found faster since it is limited by a machine and human evaluation of the results?

Wouldn't all discoveries have likely been found faster witb greater funding?

No. Not at all. Too many cooks in the kitchen makes diminishing returns.

Re: AlphaFold-Powered Drug Discovery of a Novel CDK20 Inhibitor

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post #57

I agree with the sentiment of this paper (AF can enable drug discovery), but in this specific instance, the authors had a real opportunity contribute a general finding to the scientific community but instead they put in the lowest amount of effort (to a point where they're almost saying nothing at all). The target had dozens of related structures in the protein databank, including relatives with ~40% sequence identit…

And this, dear HN community, is the difference between an expert reading a paper pertaining to their field and the casual reader, or even scientists in unrelated fields reading this paper. I am just not equipped to judge the quality of research in the field.
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