>> Nova requires macOS 10.15.7 or later. It is not possible to run Nova on earlier versions of macOS.
I can't run it on my old, BUT STILL HIGHLY USABLE Macbook Pro 2011, OSX 10.13.6.
Nova by Panic
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#142I tried Nova when it first launched and again recently, and I switched back to VSCode due to the numerous plugins and prodigious output of its creators every month. In my opinion, Nova (through its lack) shows the true power of network effects, even in code editors, because even though VSCode is an inferior product in many respects, like speed and resource usage, it still wins due to its sheer popularity and extensib…
Before VSCode, same effects were conspicuously at work in Emacs and Vim. While JS has some warts here and there, vimscript is truly terrible. Nevertheless, a lot of advanced Vim plugins were built, drawing even more people to Vim, thus incentivizing more plugins, etc.
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#143Another interesting competitor: https://www.jetbrains.com/fleet/ Previous discussion on Nova https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24495330 (Sept 2020) [542 comments]
Still not a Mac-native app. The tab, with its always-visible (as opposed to just on hover) close widget on the wrong side, is a big give-away.
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#144The landing page seems to rely heavily on:
- Users’ familiarity with Coda as a reference point for its increased quality
- Statements about the hard work that’s gone into it
I say this as a huge Panic fan. It just felt ‘off’ to me, like the initial arguments for trying it are “look how hard we tried” and “it’s better than our old product”.
This may be an unfair assessment but it’s what stood out for me.
Having said all of this, I’ll still give it a go!
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#145I've been using the VSCode remote ssh feature for a while now and I really can't see myself switching to another editor unless it also had a similar feature. Being able to quickly configure and use a remote server is just too huge a feature to give up now. This looks great though, and the site is beautiful. Wish it was for me.
Nova does let you have projects with files accessed over a SSH connection. From the Launcher (project browser) window, select "Add Project…", then "Add Remote Project…"
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#146I don't understand why every editor these days come with a minimap, and many of them turn it on by default. I know Sublime introduced it but what does it do exactly? Why is everyone copying it? It just shows you the shapes of blocks of texts of a long file from ten meters away. It doesn't tell you what they are or what they do, or even how to get there. Every IDE since at least the early 2000s gave you an index or a…
True. I rather prefer the Structure Tab that Jetbrains IDEs have. That one is more useful to me.
Came here to say this. In VSCode there’s the Outline panel that does the same thing. I find it incredibly more useful than the minimal. But hey, to each their own, I just disable the minimal and that’s it.
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#147>> Nova requires macOS 10.15.7 or later. It is not possible to run Nova on earlier versions of macOS. I can't run it on my old, BUT STILL HIGHLY USABLE Macbook Pro 2011, OSX 10.13.6.
highly usable but also EOLed and thus without security updates for more than a year now.
Aside of the security issues, I think it's asking a lot of a third party releasing a new product to ship with support for OSes not supported by their first-party manufacturer.
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#148I don't mind native apps, but if the trade-off is that it's platform exclusive then that's unacceptable in 2022. Platform exclusivity is such a massive step backwards.
Electron isn't the solution, but the fact that advocating for multiplatform usage on HN as opposed to boutique special Macs (because "I only use Macs and I love Macs") gets you (well, it was downvoted) downvoted is really sad. I only joined this community after the Apple CSAM incident after noticing this community began to lose their unyielding fanboyism for Apple products and began to adopt a more reasonable view on…
> Seriously, what is wrong with this comment? Genuinely curious.
Well, for one, it's telling another (highly successful) company how to run their business.
But also, I am a web developer who's been developing on Macs for all of my professional career and most of my hobbyist years before that. It's very unlikely I'll use anything else at least for the foreseeable future. I am grateful that there's at least one company that is making a decent Mac-native editor to help me do my work. Work done to port this to other platforms would be wasted on me, and at any rate cross-platform applications are great in theory, but in practice they, or at least their Mac ports, are very rarely well implemented and almost always stick out like a sore thumb when it comes to UX.
At any rate, if one really wants to shame companies that make single-platform software, there are a wealth of them doing that for Windows.
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#149I tried Nova when it first launched and again recently, and I switched back to VSCode due to the numerous plugins and prodigious output of its creators every month. In my opinion, Nova (through its lack) shows the true power of network effects, even in code editors, because even though VSCode is an inferior product in many respects, like speed and resource usage, it still wins due to its sheer popularity and extensib…
To be fair this "worse is better" thing permiates all aspects of tech: c++, java, python, wasteful text based protocols...
> wasteful text based protocols…
Until you’re the unfortunate person trying to debug an API deployment where the team behind the API decided to use ‘much more efficient protobuffs’ making them entirely unreadable and impossible to troubleshoot. Modern processors and networks are fast enough to allow us to spend a few extra bytes making protocols easy to work with as well as ‘efficient’, and I’d argue that at scale, those ‘efficient’ protocols waste probably 100x more developer time troubleshooting than their text based counterparts. YMMV.
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#150The landing page seems to rely heavily on: - Users’ familiarity with Coda as a reference point for its increased quality - Statements about the hard work that’s gone into it I say this as a huge Panic fan. It just felt ‘off’ to me, like the initial arguments for trying it are “look how hard we tried” and “it’s better than our old product”. This may be an unfair assessment but it’s what stood out for me. Having said a…
Although the page does rely a bit on things that mostly Mac fans will appreciate, I didn’t have the same impression. It’s fun to see how true Panic stays to their craft and it’s great to have the best native benchmark out there to compare to cross platform (web) approaches.