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An Experience with Modafinil

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Re: An Experience with Modafinil

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Am I the only one thinking there is something seriously wrong with an education system if students have to resort to drugs that keep them awake for a week to succeed in it? I mean I'm not exactly anti-medication but... wow.

Cramming is less "required" then "an alternative way to get a good grade than working all semester long."

I had multiple classes in university where the professor didn't finish their syllabus for the term and so the TAs crammed the last few weeks worth of class into a study session.

Re: An Experience with Modafinil

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I’ve wanted to try Modafinil for a long time but I’m too nervous to order it online. My doctor won’t prescribe it to me, saying it is only for extreme narcoleptics, though I think the real reason is that its street value is pretty high… because it works.

I took modafinil for years, through college and my first few years of work. I realized once I stopped that my pretty-intense social anxiety was basically 90% caused by modafinil, and I think I am a more effective person now. YMMV.

Modafinil was a bandaid for me when I had neglected what I had to do. Paired with the fact it seriously depressed social awareness and made me an unfeeling robot for 12-16 hours at minimum, I don't miss it. There are no wonder drugs better than good eats, good sleeps, good work time, and good breaks. Do all those things and you'll realize that (unless you're clinically in need of e.g. ADHD meds) you just haven't been treating your body right.

Re: An Experience with Modafinil

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My experience is that it keeps you wide awake for a very long time. Highly potent. Absolutely no focusing activity for me like dextroamphetamine / amphetamine / methamphetamine. As a result ADHD treatment value is low. Gave me some nasty joint swelling rather quickly so had to stop using it. If I were to market it I’d call it “clean coffee”

> My experience is that it keeps you wide awake for a very long time. Highly potent. Absolutely no focusing activity for me like dextroamphetamine / amphetamine / methamphetamine. As a result ADHD treatment value is low.

Same experience here. Went through a trial period of Modafinil with my doc. It's fantastic for eradicating any trace of tiredness, but it does nothing for focus

Re: An Experience with Modafinil

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Is this person insane? Four hours of sleep and six cups of coffee per day? Lay off the drugs and get a good 8 hours sleep.

Only partially related, but I am so surprised that lack of sleep seems to be normalized in the medical industry (or at least appear to be, I am not a doctor). I would think we would want doctor's brains running at 100%

Re: An Experience with Modafinil

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What's remarkable to me is that modafinil is less toxic than caffeine[0], and possibly even less addictive[1], but we all know which is illegal for recreational use and which is coffee.

Regulations are sticky. The FDA follows the precautionary principle. Political game theory incentivizes restricting what the electorate can do rather than giving them more freedoms, and being blamed for whatever harm may fall upon them from their licentiousness. Reversing drug laws specifically seems to require both clear evidence of benefit, and widespread support from the public and media. This leads me to believe that modafinil will takes ages to be rescheduled.

[0] https://www.gwern.net/Modafinil#fn28

[1] https://www.gwern.net/docs/modafinil/2002-deroche-gamonet.pd...

Re: An Experience with Modafinil

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I took it heavily in grad school. Prescribed off label for adhd. You can be in any state of exhaustion, take a modafinil, and an hour later feel like you just woke up on a Sunday morning after sleeping in. It’s nuts. The military uses it for fighter pilots. You can take it for days and only lose minimal amounts of reaction timing. At my peak, I stayed up for finals for a week straight with maybe 2 hours of sleep tota…

Am I the only one thinking there is something seriously wrong with an education system if students have to resort to drugs that keep them awake for a week to succeed in it? I mean I'm not exactly anti-medication but... wow.

Some students have ADHD or simply learn in a way that does not track with how school and university are taught. The rewards and incentives are typically orthogonal to what a person diagnosed with ADHD wants, and often times extreme measures must be taken to adapt to the rigid expectations.
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