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Re: Nova by Panic

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Post by biztos »

I tried this out some months ago and had really mixed feelings, but I will give it another shot because generally speaking, Panic is awesome!

My main complaints at the time were a confusing extensions ecosystem; difficulty rolling your own; and the sense that (as with Coda) "programmer" means a person hand-coding web sites with HTML+CSS and maybe Javascript or PHP. Seemed like they weren't trying to convince anybody who already used VSCode et al.

That said, I have had some difficulty adjusting to Sublime's way of doing things, and VS never felt right to me, so maybe I'm just picky.

In any case I am happy to see another opinionated text editor in the mix!

[Edit: And right out of the box now, no support for Go files, not even syntax coloring, and it thinks go.mod is a media file and won't display its text. Searching extensions for "go" gets me three different extensions and no way to tell which is better/more-popular; and also shows me six totally unrelated extensions, three of which have "go" in their titles e.g. "django" and three of which do not. So... still not really shooting for the programmer market, but I will keep trying!]

[Edit2: Similar results for Rust. And extensions have to be written in Javascript, and the boilerplate is all for published extensions which maybe makes sense, but I really want an easy way to pipe ($BUFFER|$CLIPBOARD) to an arbitrary program and put the result in ($BUFFER|CLIPBOARD) with a pop-up on failure, and I find it really weird that there is so much shell integration but not that. OK shutting up now, playing with editor...]

Re: Nova by Panic

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Post by theonemind »

chrysoprace wrote: post #72

I don't mind native apps, but if the trade-off is that it's platform exclusive then that's unacceptable in 2022. Platform exclusivity is such a massive step backwards.

different strokes for different folks. I don't mind cross platform, but I find Electron unacceptable in any year as a massive step backwards in UI and usability. (Not that you mentioned any Electron-based competitors by name, but a lot of cross-platform big-name competition in the text editor space does use Electron, like VS Code, Atom, and Brackets.)

Re: Nova by Panic

#83

Post by stephc_int13 »

Gorgeous design, I wish it would be available outside of the Apple ecosystem, I'd consider it even if I've been very happy with my paid Sublime4 license.

I think Sublime HQ showed that making a multiplatform editor is not much more difficult, but hey...

Re: Nova by Panic

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Post by lelandfe »

shagie wrote: post #71
Cyberdog wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Like other tradesmen I'm glad to pay for tools which make me more productive. Nova is the best code editor on the Mac in my humble (but correct) opinion and it has paid for itself many, many times over.

At $100, its coming in close to IntelliJ all product pack (I've had it since the Mayan end of the world). Its also quite a bit more than BBEdit (which I've had since If it was closer to BBEdit (which I've had since System 6 days), I'd consider switching the text editor - it looks nice. For me , the price per year compared to products that I already have that have more functionality would be for something that I don't…

You own Nova for life at $99, it's only a recurring cost if you want updates. Subsequent years are $49.

...Whereas the all product pack is $250 a year to use.

Re: Nova by Panic

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Post by KrishnaShripad »

wyuenho wrote: post #32

I don't understand why every editor these days come with a minimap, and many of them turn it on by default. I know Sublime introduced it but what does it do exactly? Why is everyone copying it? It just shows you the shapes of blocks of texts of a long file from ten meters away. It doesn't tell you what they are or what they do, or even how to get there. Every IDE since at least the early 2000s gave you an index or a…

> Why not just get rid of it to free up more screen real estate for actually useful things?

Like? I have an 80 column width by default. To not let my code run the entire length of screen for obvious reasons. Also, it is code smell IMHO if you have to write that much code in a single line.

> I know Sublime introduced it but what does it do exactly? Why is everyone copying it? It just shows you the shapes of blocks of texts of a long file from ten meters away

Visual cues. I can immediately know if my linter finds something wrong. It highlights it in red. Without a minimap I'll have to scroll (or if you are using vim you would still need to ctrl+D till you find the problematic line).

If I am editing a Git repo, I can easily make out the additions/removals in the file. Additions in green and removals in red.

> VS Code has a breadcrumb IN ADDITION TO the minimap, possibly because Microsoft realizes its gimmick nature

I sometimes hide my Sidebar in vscode while working in Zen mode. I can then access the directory structure through the breadcrumbs. Especially useful when I don't remember the name of the file ahead of time to use it in command palette search.

Clicking on the filename in the breadcrumb gives me access to all the symbols defined within the file. Quick way to navigate between declared top-level variables/functions.

Re: Nova by Panic

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Post by brunoqc »

lelandfe wrote: post #84
shagie wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At $100, its coming in close to IntelliJ all product pack (I've had it since the Mayan end of the world). Its also quite a bit more than BBEdit (which I've had since If it was closer to BBEdit (which I've had since System 6 days), I'd consider switching the text editor - it looks nice. For me , the price per year compared to products that I already have that have more functionality would be for something that I don't…

You own Nova for life at $99, it's only a recurring cost if you want updates. Subsequent years are $49. ...Whereas the all product pack is $250 a year to use .

I don't think many people don't want updates.

I would guess that if someone is willing to pay $100 for it (because the person likes the features that Nova has over their other tools), that it's likely that person will also want the new shiny features every year.

Also, I wouldn't be surprised that some plugins might take advantages of some new features.

Re: Nova by Panic

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Post by FireBeyond »

mushufasa wrote: post #36
echelon wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Quoted post unavailable.

> but they don't do equity If it's an independent business since 1997 the implication is they're not for sale, so equity wouldn't be likely to achieve any liquidity, hence relatively meaningless.

Just like Mailchimp! "We're never going to sell! Oh, hold up, you said twelve billion? With a B? Uhh, okay, we need to talk."

Re: Nova by Panic

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Post by jamil7 »

biztos wrote: post #81

I tried this out some months ago and had really mixed feelings, but I will give it another shot because generally speaking, Panic is awesome! My main complaints at the time were a confusing extensions ecosystem; difficulty rolling your own; and the sense that (as with Coda) "programmer" means a person hand-coding web sites with HTML+CSS and maybe Javascript or PHP. Seemed like they weren't trying to convince anybody…

> And right out of the box now, no support for Go files, not even syntax coloring, and it thinks go.mod is a media file and won't display its text.

I just had a similar experience, no Go or Swift (ok understandable maybe) support out of the box. But I paid for it it anyway since I like what they’re going for and have admired the company for a long time.

Re: Nova by Panic

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Post by Lammy »

weikju wrote: post #53
Lammy wrote: post #24

> "No-Fuss Analytics & Privacy Settings" I can't recall a time that analytics have ever made a "fuss" for me, but that's not why I dislike them :( I don't own a modern Mac, so I can't check the settings out myself, but that's the first thing I would look at after reading this in the features list. Looks great otherwise though, and it's cute how it rhymes with "Coda".

could be "no-fuss settings" for "analytics & privacy", not "settings for:" "no-fuss analytics" and "privacy"

Oh, duh, you're totally right. I guess I've been doing too much programming lately that I read those as separate things offered together

Re: Nova by Panic

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Post by chrysoprace »

theonemind wrote: post #82
chrysoprace wrote: post #72

I don't mind native apps, but if the trade-off is that it's platform exclusive then that's unacceptable in 2022. Platform exclusivity is such a massive step backwards.

different strokes for different folks. I don't mind cross platform, but I find Electron unacceptable in any year as a massive step backwards in UI and usability. (Not that you mentioned any Electron-based competitors by name, but a lot of cross-platform big-name competition in the text editor space does use Electron, like VS Code, Atom, and Brackets.)

The competition they have to beat is VSCode and JetBrains - nothing else compares. Yes, VSCode is based on Electron but it shows that it can work well. That's the competition they have to beat. If I can't use an IDE because it's locked to a proprietary OS that requires me to buy specialty hardware to run it then it loses by default.
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