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Arch Linux – "It is what you make it"

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Re: Arch Linux – "It is what you make it"

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Sadly it's one of few distro vulnerable to man-in-middle attack so you need to be careful where from you do your updates.

Package signing (via gpg) is being added in the forthcoming Pacman 4.0, so this won't be the case for much longer. It's already available in the testing repository, in fact.

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Re: Arch Linux – "It is what you make it"

#33
post #23

Sadly it's one of few distro vulnerable to man-in-middle attack so you need to be careful where from you do your updates.

Package signing (via gpg) is being added in the forthcoming Pacman 4.0, so this won't be the case for much longer. It's already available in the testing repository, in fact.

Cool! That's great news.

Re: Arch Linux – "It is what you make it"

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I've heard this argument multiple times that Arch Linux is what you make of it and it really teaches you Linux, but I'm getting older and trying out lesser distro's now. :) However while I admire its passionate community, I'm genuinely curious, how does it differ from Slackware? In the sense, how exactly does Arch differ from Slackware in terms of teaching you the guts of your own system?

Coming from someone who's specifically used both Slackware and Arch for a similar amount of time, I can say that Arch is more forgiving than Slackware, especially because of Pacman and their wiki. That said, though, if you /really/ know what you're doing in both Arch and Slackware, the experience should not be too different...aside from maybe the non-support of GNOME on Slackware.

Re: Arch Linux – "It is what you make it"

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I think I am going to have to give Arch a try.

One thing that has kept me on Ubuntu family distros is font rendering. Ubuntu's patches for freetype, cairo, xft, etc are quite simply requirements for me for a desktop Linux.

Some distros have these by way of some guy maintaining his own set of patched packages. I have always been reluctant to rely on these.

I was thrilled when Linux Mint came out with Linux Mint Debian Edition, which is Debian + these font patches + some other Mint-y friendliness (but still mostly Debian).

The fact that Arch maintains the *-ubuntu family of patched packages means I just might consider using it, too.

Re: Arch Linux – "It is what you make it"

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I switched from Ubuntu to Arch on my servers and linux desktops a while back. Here's are the key benefits from my perspective: - shallow mental model: I know where everything is, I know all the moving pieces - pacman: outstanding package manager. - aif: dieter has done a great job making a modular install framework. - AUR: compared to PPAs, AUR is simple and easy to contribute to (both commentary and packages) It rea…

"shallow mental model (...) It really does take time if you want to understand Arch deeply"

You made me curious. Those sound like they are the opposite of each other.

On the article... the same old. Not for me. I like learning, but not just anything. Learning how to use the configuration of dozens of software pieces is NOT on my to do list, specially when it's pretty obvious I won't have room on my mental memory for all of it. As the article says, it's not for everyone.

Re: Arch Linux – "It is what you make it"

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post #5

I switched from Ubuntu to Arch on my servers and linux desktops a while back. Here's are the key benefits from my perspective: - shallow mental model: I know where everything is, I know all the moving pieces - pacman: outstanding package manager. - aif: dieter has done a great job making a modular install framework. - AUR: compared to PPAs, AUR is simple and easy to contribute to (both commentary and packages) It rea…

In what way does Arch have a shallower mental model than Debian? Or pacman superior to apt-get? I'm not trolling. Debian is a pretty vanilla Linux and has a huge package repository.

Re: Arch Linux – "It is what you make it"

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post #35

I think I am going to have to give Arch a try. One thing that has kept me on Ubuntu family distros is font rendering. Ubuntu's patches for freetype, cairo, xft, etc are quite simply requirements for me for a desktop Linux. Some distros have these by way of some guy maintaining his own set of patched packages. I have always been reluctant to rely on these. I was thrilled when Linux Mint came out with Linux Mint Debian…

I always had the opposite experience with font rendering. I always have to disable all hinting and turn on subpixel rendering to get results I like, since I prefer thicker glyphs that have more consistent forms, kerning and spacing at all sizes, even in print (ala Mac OS X) rather than having glyphs that have been forced into pixel boundaries and smushed closer together at smaller sizes for maximum glyph readability (ala Windows).

To me, the spacing and kerning of the fonts matter much more than the clarity of the individual glyphs. Seeing letters smashed together or with wide gaps between letters drives me insane...

Re: Arch Linux – "It is what you make it"

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post #35

I think I am going to have to give Arch a try. One thing that has kept me on Ubuntu family distros is font rendering. Ubuntu's patches for freetype, cairo, xft, etc are quite simply requirements for me for a desktop Linux. Some distros have these by way of some guy maintaining his own set of patched packages. I have always been reluctant to rely on these. I was thrilled when Linux Mint came out with Linux Mint Debian…

Actually they aren't maintained by Arch, they are in AUR, and they are maintanied by an Arch user called Hador[1].

[1] https://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?K=Hador&SeB=m

Re: Arch Linux – "It is what you make it"

#40

I've heard this argument multiple times that Arch Linux is what you make of it and it really teaches you Linux, but I'm getting older and trying out lesser distro's now. :) However while I admire its passionate community, I'm genuinely curious, how does it differ from Slackware? In the sense, how exactly does Arch differ from Slackware in terms of teaching you the guts of your own system?

As a former Slackware user myself, I was mostly impressed by ArchLinux's package management and the user-maintained wiki. As far as learning the guts of the system goes, I'd say that ArchWiki has become one of the best searchable references out there and is the main thing that separates Arch from Slackware.
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