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Re: $130B wiped off crypto markets in 24 hours

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I own no crypto and I think it's a ridiculous piece of hype, but I think all that reporting (and, on twitter, all that schadenfreude) about bitcoin (etc) going down is nonsense. If you look at a 5 year chart of the BTC value, it's still super insane high and it's been going down hard once before (summer 2021). If I were a crypto fan I'd just tweet HODL like every previous time.

Most of the 'financial' reporting on crypto is nonsense, and imo, is just grasping at straws, or some kind of puff piece.

To some confident people, this is just a flash sale.

Re: $130B wiped off crypto markets in 24 hours

#72

I can’t stop thinking about the points Daniel Schmachtenberger https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4NlLuNj0v8 made in this pod cast. TLDL: after WWII we setup this system of no more global wars BUT exponential growth and the system self terminates in 2024. So the panic is getting very real now.

Oh, I thought it would end in 2012 according to the Maya theory? I still have sleepless nights over that. What year are we in again? Please, this doomsday stuff is just cult. Besides, we had a global war after WWII. It was called cold war, and it was fought via various proxy wars.

Re: $130B wiped off crypto markets in 24 hours

#73
post #17

When price goes up, the conspiracy theory is that it's all fake, because it's just Tether printing. So where is the Tether printing now? Since everybody agrees that Tether is unbacked and their printer can go brrr at will, why don't they just print more billions to prop the market up?

If your neighborhood decides for whatever reason that your IOU's are worth what is printed on them or even increasing values over time, then you can generate a lot of cash, and looking from the outside it will look like everyone in the neighborhood is getting filthy rich because all their market caps and transactions sizes will be going through the roof. And you can comfortably say that you have your IOU's backed 1:1 in things of equal value, by just printing 2 everything you hand one out and keeping one, which will naturally be as valuable as the other right? Or you can use one of them to buy BTC/Ether/whatever on your own exchange, whatever, point is that you can keep the value backed in theory because you have a money printing press. This works as long as money is flooding into the system, and there is enough trust in your IOUs.

But what you can't do is try to use IOU printing to guard against the values of your IOU's falling, it just doesn't make sense when Timmy comes by and says "I want my $10k, here's the IOUs" that you say "Ok, wait a second, I have like $20k worth of IOU's I could give you instead, would that make you happy?". Because you aren't proping up the value of the IOU's, your just devaluing them faster.

Re: $130B wiped off crypto markets in 24 hours

#74

I own no crypto and I think it's a ridiculous piece of hype, but I think all that reporting (and, on twitter, all that schadenfreude) about bitcoin (etc) going down is nonsense. If you look at a 5 year chart of the BTC value, it's still super insane high and it's been going down hard once before (summer 2021). If I were a crypto fan I'd just tweet HODL like every previous time.

I tend to think crypto currencies, much more than conventional financial assets, is sensitive to the public narrative/hype due to it being a pure speculation play. A lot of people bought in over the past two years due to the hype and I suspect if the media narrative turns a lot of folks will pull out.

Re: $130B wiped off crypto markets in 24 hours

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post #12

That's all the point of crypto-currencies, they need to go up and down to enable speculation. Pump and make it go up. Dump and it goes down. Someone is cashing the difference. A stable crypto-currency will not attract so much speculative investment.

A stable crypto-currency will not attract any investment. Crypto is useless for anything but money laundering and speculation.

The idea of a "currency"[0] attracting investment is kinda crazy in its own right. Normally currencies don't attract investment; you can bet on the difference between them, but you usually "invest" (buy) large amounts of it specifically to do business with the country or economic entity that issued it. You buy Euros to do business in the EU, not to "invest" in the currency itself.

0 - Which crypto currencies actually function as currencies is a matter of debate.

Re: $130B wiped off crypto markets in 24 hours

#76

I own no crypto and I think it's a ridiculous piece of hype, but I think all that reporting (and, on twitter, all that schadenfreude) about bitcoin (etc) going down is nonsense. If you look at a 5 year chart of the BTC value, it's still super insane high and it's been going down hard once before (summer 2021). If I were a crypto fan I'd just tweet HODL like every previous time.

Bitcoin has 3 mechanisms built in to make it almost always increase in value, halving of the rewards, finite total+lost bitcoins, and increasing complexity when more people are mining.

In the end all you're doing is buying electricity and converting it to bitcoin, anything above that cost is based on future costs when the rewards halve.

All this means you should never sell your bitcoins, which means it's a terrible currency

Re: $130B wiped off crypto markets in 24 hours

#77
post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Neither does crypto. Out of all things that's about the least "low risk" I've seen yet.

Store of value. US money printer. Inflation hedge. Do you think we forget what the crypto-bros said just a few months ago?

None of those necessarily imply low risk / volatility, and on the long term chart crypto has satisfied all 3

Re: $130B wiped off crypto markets in 24 hours

#78
post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I won't touch leverage with a 10 foot pole. With that being said, 9% is a lot depending on how much you have in the account.

It's annoying, but it doesn't matter too much unless you're retiring soon. I suspect it will drop another 20% though, back to mid 2020 levels. Fed will start to intervene if it goes beyond that, too many votes. Its like house prices in the UK, the government won't allow them to drop.

I am paying my daughter's college tuition from a 529 plan, so this affects me even though I am not retiring soon.

Re: $130B wiped off crypto markets in 24 hours

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Okay? And 1.5 trillion was wiped off of the US equity market.

The S&P 500 is down about 9% off its high from a month or two ago. BTC just crossed under half of it's peak. It's true that's not captured in the headline, but this is a newsworthy crypto crash. It's not the first or the worst, but it's worth covering.

It depends on the base rates. BTC has a 66% volatility while S&P 500 doesn't. One should expect such crashes with BTC.

Re: $130B wiped off crypto markets in 24 hours

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post #54

I own no crypto and I think it's a ridiculous piece of hype, but I think all that reporting (and, on twitter, all that schadenfreude) about bitcoin (etc) going down is nonsense. If you look at a 5 year chart of the BTC value, it's still super insane high and it's been going down hard once before (summer 2021). If I were a crypto fan I'd just tweet HODL like every previous time.

If you own cryptocurrency, and its all gone down, you're invested and can do two things. You can keep hold of your assets, or you can sell. If you sell, you can decide to share such or not, but since you are no longer invested, there's no incentive to share such (and if you're part of a pump and dump scheme, you don't want people to lose trust so your incentive is to say HODL while doing otherwise). So it makes sense…

Bitcoin is probably the first Ponzi scheme where everyone in it knows it is a Ponzi scheme. So I agree with your take here.
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