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Re: Ask HN: Gmail account security

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Edit: I just got back in! I had to give a real phone # for the SMS step. It pretended to accept a Google Voice # but would never send a code and I just got stuck in the loop I describe below. I've now closed the account. Oh, the irony... Yup, I've got an old gmail account that Google won't let me into. First I get: "This device isn’t recognized. For your security, Google wants to make sure it’s really you." With opti…

Did you have a 27B/6?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGeT5cutXgU

Re: Ask HN: Gmail account security

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post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You mean IMAP and SMTP protocols, right?

I mean an api like mailgun

That's more for sending email. There's two APIs for sending: SMTP and JMAP. Both work completely fine, and have the same overall sending rate limits.

We (Fastmail) are set up for human-to-human emails rather than bulk mailing, so if you try to do bulk mailing you're likely to hit limits and possibly terms of service issues - if you're trying to do the kind of thing that people use mailgun for, then I'd recommend using something like mailgun instead!

Re: Ask HN: Gmail account security

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post #257

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not just the user-agent, it is definitely doing non-trivial fingerprinting (both linked projects also had UA mitigations before). We don't have an easy workaround (besides a sketchy cookie hack that took hours to reverse engineer) right now and have been trying to get in touch with them.

> it is definitely doing non-trivial fingerprinting Can confirm. To generalize and understand why, big corps have to deal with an insane amount of (often automated) abuse, so they build profiles using data collection to assess your risk level. Being in the wrong cohort (say unusual browser, small country, rare language, use a vpn etc) can affect your score. Basically it's these massive bayesian filters that output ho…

To clarify, these scores can be sanely used to decide what level of trust you have, and when you have none you get a capcha, a SMS check or something heavier to authorize the access you are trying to get.

In my book you’re never supposed to fully block a session because of the score, there needs to be a (potentially burdensome) way to prove the score wrong. Blocking a browser should be out of question.

Re: Ask HN: Gmail account security

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post #67

They also do this thing now where they block [1] smaller browsers (even ones using the latest version of chromium) under the guise of security. According to their docs they're fighting MITMs by generally disallowing any browser they can't identify (so the big few). If you're not on a whitelisted browser by Google, you can't log in (effectively, use) any of their properties. This feels very anti-competitive to me. Not…

Please dont post links to programs that arent even publicly available.

AFAIK There's nothing wrong with doing so. The comment was on topic, and the project is interesting.

One of the most discussed projects on HN in the past year or so has been GPT-3 which is (was?) pretty hard to get access to.

Re: Ask HN: Gmail account security

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post #67

They also do this thing now where they block [1] smaller browsers (even ones using the latest version of chromium) under the guise of security. According to their docs they're fighting MITMs by generally disallowing any browser they can't identify (so the big few). If you're not on a whitelisted browser by Google, you can't log in (effectively, use) any of their properties. This feels very anti-competitive to me. Not…

Huh. I'm using a little-known Chromium fork[0] and I haven't had any trouble logging into Google services.

0: https://github.com/blueboxd/chromium-legacy

Re: Ask HN: Gmail account security

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Hit this over XMas. Dad got a new fire stick. Wanted to use the YouTube app. Wanted to sign in to YouTube for channel subscriptions. Had a GMail account he'd not used in years. Tried to recover it with the whole send-a-code-to-secondary-email rigmarole. Google went to the trouble of sending a code, but upon successful entry decided that it just wasn't good enough. Maddening. Gmail account gone forever. Can't sign up for a new one because "phone number used too many times". Fuck me I guess, guess we'll have to use one of the unofficial YouTube apps that do client-side subscriptions and incidentally block ads.

Re: Ask HN: Gmail account security

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

2022 me agrees with you, but 2003 me getting an invite to GMail when it was a brand new service and essentially a completely different company with a different landscape didn't know better. Now I have nearly two decades of accounts and things tied to GMail =(

Google Takeout is a pretty nice service still. It's good to back up your accounts regularly.

I think the main problem with many people isn't so much the archive of email that they would lose from not using GMail anymore, it's the many years of accounts that are authenticated with it. There are literally hundreds of services I have that are registered to that e-mail address now.

Re: Ask HN: Gmail account security

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I had this happen as well about 8 years ago. My Gmail account one day just said it couldn't log me in, even though my password was correct, and I was logging in from the same home address and browser as always. It said I needed to complete the security question to access my account. I didn't know the answer because I just set random letters and numbers for the security answer when configuring the account recovery, because I was confident in my password and backup system. Since I couldn't answer that question, and because Google has no support, I could never access that account again while knowing the password.

Fortunately this was a secondary email address, and my primary email was on my own domain.

Re: Ask HN: Gmail account security

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Glad to see others are also frustrated with Google's extremely excessive "security" gimmicks.

The one that I run into sometimes: in order to do "Find My Phone" for my wife's phone, I try to sign in as her. In order to 2FA authenticate, I need to press yes on her (lost) phone, or answer a phone call or text on her (lost) phone. What exactly is the point of a find phone feature that requires you to have the phone?

Apple doesn't have this issue BTW; they have some 2FA stuff but Find My iPhone is excluded so you can use it if your phone is missing.

Re: Ask HN: Gmail account security

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I signed into an old Gmail account of mine that had a bitcoin private key backup. After signing in successfully, I searched for "bitcoin private key" in Gmail. Within a second and before the search completed, I was immediately kicked out of all active sessions, and my account was locked.

Yeah, unfortunately that's exactly the kind of thing that a hacker would do upon getting access to an account. sigh.
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