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Have you ever seen those signs on the back of dump trucks on the highway that state something like, “Stay Back: Truck Driver Not Responsible for Cracked Windshields”?
That's complete bullshit though. It does not dissolve liability for things like improperly covered loads.
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I'm not a fan boy. I have endless criticism of Tesla, especially on the service front. And let's not even get into the build quality issues, particularly with the body panels. I'm a fan boy of truth, reason, logic, and individual responsibility. All of which are in extremely short supply at the LA Times. On this specific topic, truth is being shaded deliberately to drive clicks. There is an obvious motivation to make…
> I'm not a fan boy. Fair enough. > I'm a fan boy of truth, reason, logic, and individual responsibility. So you are a fan boy? > And let's not even get into the build quality issues, particularly with the body panels. I think Tesla made a big mistake calling the "Model 3" a Tesla. They should have had a different brand for that to set consumer expectations appropriately (like the "Yearn" or the "Strive") > when it w…
Regarding your moral assertion that a person who dies in a car accident should never be called a bad name:
I absolutely will call them something bad if they died in a car accident that they caused by being negligent and could have potentially killed others.
My father's first wife died in a car accident while he was driving in 1971. They were t-boned by a drunk driver operating a stolen vehicle who ran a red light. He suffered a broken neck and woke up at the age of 21 in a hospital a few days after the accident being told he was now a widower and had to raise his 1-year-old son (my oldest brother) by himself. But that's okay. You wouldn't ever call that drunk driver anything bad right?
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> Elon has been personally promising real FSD next year every year for the past 5 years. Even funnier in video format: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7oZ-AQszEI
There seems to be a progression there from ‘I think it’ll be able to drive the easiest roads in a year or two’ to ‘It’ll be 2–4× safer than humans soon’. So in my opinion calling all of it ‘promising real FSD’ is at least half as misleading as the marketing.
He’s made too many bs claims for it to be defensible in any way.
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There seems to be a progression there from ‘I think it’ll be able to drive the easiest roads in a year or two’ to ‘It’ll be 2–4× safer than humans soon’. So in my opinion calling all of it ‘promising real FSD’ is at least half as misleading as the marketing.
He has been promising FSD capabilities. He said the car will be able to autonomously drive from west coast to the east coast, he said robo taxis will make $30k a year and that it’s financially insane to buy anything but a Tesla because Teslas will be an appreciating asset next year when FSD comes out. He’s made too many bs claims for it to be defensible in any way.
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Can you explain how Tesla is liable? It is made clear to the driver (both in the manual and at activation of Autopilot) that they remain the final authority in control of the vehicle, and at the time of the accident, the Tesla software build did not support detection and actioning of stop lights nor stop signs. Are folks going to sue GM and Ford when people don't pay attention when their versions of driver assist don…
Tesla should be liable for misleading consumers. They released videos demo'ing autopilot and ignoring their own guidelines of always having hands on the wheel. They call their feature "autopilot"/"FSD" and Elon has been personally promising real FSD next year every year for the past 5 years. When people's lives are in danger, there should be greater accountability over the marketing that companies are trying to pass…
You are aware that the car keeps nagging you if you don't keep your hands on the wheel, right?
And no, they don't call it "'autopilot'/'FSD'". They call FSD FSD, and Autopilot Autopilot.
Promising FSD has got nothing to do with Autopilot. FSD is a completely separate package you have to purchase.
You are lying about their marketing.
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The driver is still constantly reminded to stay in control, and you even have to agree this to before enabling Autopilot. Tesla never said Autopilot is autonomous.
> constantly reminded Now, yes. A couple of years ago? Every fifteen _minutes_.
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The driver is still constantly reminded to stay in control, and you even have to agree this to before enabling Autopilot. Tesla never said Autopilot is autonomous.
If they'd only called it "advanced cruise control with lane assist" instead, they sure as hell would have improved things. The Autopilot in Tesla is more like the one you'd find in an A-10C (three options: hold this current level vertical path; hold this heading and altitude, or hold this altitude) than how I guess most people perceive Autopilot to work (like in what Airbus is actually developing now, ie https://www.…
Wikipedia: "Autopilots do not replace human operators. Instead, the autopilot assists the operator's control of the vehicle"
No one is confused about Tesla's Autopilot because not only do you have to agree on how to use it before you can enable it, but it constantly nags and reminds you while driving.
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Except the purchase page clearly state that autonomous features are not avaiable today, and the car itself constantly reminds you to be in control. Also, Autopilot on Wikipedia: "An autopilot is a system used to control the path of an aircraft, car, marine craft or spacecraft without requiring constant manual control by a human operator. Autopilots do not replace human operators. Instead, the autopilot assists the op…
Kinda pointless, since you sidestep the whole point. I am not interested in PR style discussions with technicalities being used as a scapegoat points. Its entirely unproductive and should be strictly reserved to cable news programs. If i buy strawberry ice-cream in strawberry ice-cream packaging I dont give a fuck that there is a sign on the back of package saying this is frozen broccoli.
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Tesla does not market their software as "full self-driving". They are saying that the software will be FSD in the future. The words from Elon's mouth make a clear separation between Autopilot as a driver assist system, and FSD as autonomy. Furthermore, Autopilot constantly reminds you while driving. There is zero confusion.
> There is zero confusion. I think for many general laypeople (not the HN tech-oriented), there IS confusion. It is also not helped by Tesla's marketing, such as naming the system "autopilot" which has a different colloquial meaning than may be understood in engineering circles. Note how most other manufacturers are generally prefer naming their systems some variant of "driver assist" or "cruise control"
And Wikipedia: "Autopilots do not replace human operators. Instead, the autopilot assists the operator's control of the vehicle"
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> There is zero confusion. I think for many general laypeople (not the HN tech-oriented), there IS confusion. It is also not helped by Tesla's marketing, such as naming the system "autopilot" which has a different colloquial meaning than may be understood in engineering circles. Note how most other manufacturers are generally prefer naming their systems some variant of "driver assist" or "cruise control"
Sure, people without Teslas may be confused. No one who actually owns one is confused about Tesla's Autopilot because not only do you have to agree on how to use it before you can enable it, but it constantly nags and reminds you while driving. And Wikipedia: "Autopilots do not replace human operators. Instead, the autopilot assists the operator's control of the vehicle"
That's why I was careful to say the colloquial definition. IMO this is also why other companies deliberately name their systems something like "driver assist". It errs on the side of removing ambiguity.
The colloquial definition is generally much more aligned with "operating without having to focus on the task at hand." I don't think Tesla wants their drivers to operate the car without focusing on the act of driving because it has an "autopilot" feature.