381–390 of 401 posts
Earlier quoted context omitted.
In order for that to be true, unvaccinated people should not be hospitalized.
Just two year of propaganda to be so hateful online. Do you know what hapened in history when segregation was main gonverment propaganda? Just stop it.
The headline doesn't capture the remaining restrictions (although the article does). Masks are still required in shops, taxis, buses, trains. It's unclear for takeaway restaurants and chippers. All staff in those places will still need to wear masks. I assume bar and restaurant staff will also need to wear masks. So really, the 8pm curfew on hospitality has been lifted but that was always silly in the first place. Wh…
What failures? I’m pretty proud of our overall response as a nation, apart for the anti-mask loonies. Most of us did what was asked, and as a national policy we (mostly) followed the medical and scientific advice, with obvious compromises for economic, educational and social factors. And here we are now, having mostly gotten through it without massive loss of life, without overloading the hospitals (apart from unvacc…
Earlier quoted context omitted.
Sure sounds good, let's do that with obese people too. Let's see, no need to treat lung cancer for people who smoked anymore. I think we just give a check list to doctors and let them decide on who to treat based on decisions someone has made in their life. Good idea. I'm on board
Those aren't really comparable. Those conditions all can land you in the hospital but there is enormous variation from person to person in how long it takes for that happen. You make the decisions that lead to that condition and then sometime in the next ~60 years it gets you. The effect is that these decisions result in a small increase in the steady state hospitalization levels. If obesity or smoking increases the…
I’ve learned of many cancer diagnoses in my circle of family and friends and can think of only two that had a hospital admission related to it (most were treated as outpatient procedures, including most of the surgeries).
Earlier quoted context omitted.
> more deaths are occurring per capita in 0-14 year olds. Citation please? Current CDC data don’t show enough deaths in that age range to be statistically significant, let alone provide that conclusion.
Having personally known a 2 year old who was severely ill from COVID-19, I'll do what I can to prevent that happening to my child. Statistics mean nothing once something bad has happened to you. It's not like having been struck by lightning is less bad because the odds of happening to you were low. I will do what I can to stack the odds in our favor.
Dev I know working there has said the pubs were closing really early, with the result that people simply moved the party back home afterwards. As a policy to stop groups getting COVID, it seems it encouraged the thing it was trying to prevent. Anyway, kudos to them for going back to something like normalcy, I must go back there on vacation!
Unless the entire pub went to the same house, that behaviour still sounds like a reduction in transmission risk
Also the pubs had limits on number of people to a table, table service only etc.
On the other hand a lot of people just didn't bother going out due to the early closing time. For a lot of people going out earlier wasn't an option.
So hard to say if it was a net reduction or increase in risk.
Earlier quoted context omitted.
Here's the opposite "hard proof", CDC official: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/covid-data/covidvi... . I've actually had a look at the document you pointed. It's very confusing. The last line of the report at page 7 states: Rates of hospital admissions in the time range (8/nov - 5/dec): - fully vaccinated: 493 - partially vaccinated + unvaccinated: 267 Rate per 100k admitted to hospital, same time range: -…
The report you just linked doesn't show the raw numbers of people in the hospital, it shows the proportionate rates, which is exactly what I just addressed. Most people in the hospitals for Covid are vaccinated. And I'm sorry, I thought this was a thread about Ireland?
Again, the fact that the numbers don't reconcile still stands, and without clarifications, that table and any references are meaningless.
From page 7:
- Rates Admitted to Hospital per 100,000: All adults, Fully vaccinated: 39.0
- Northern Ireland population: 1.9 millions
Expected admitted in the whole N.I: (39 * 1900 / 100) = 741
- Total admissions: All adults, Fully vaccinated: 493.
The numbers 741 and 493 don't match.
The rest of the table is inconsistent as well; for example, the proportions between fully and non vaccinated, between the rate per 100k (right), and the absolute values (left), are inconsistent between each other.
Futher, on the second page:
> During this 4 week period there were 790 hospital admissions, 36 (4.6%) of which had received a third dose.
The number 790 and 36 are other two who add to the pile of inconsistency. Until everything is explained with exactness, that report is essentially garbage.
> And I'm sorry, I thought this was a thread about Ireland?
In absence of correct data about N.I., the CDC report is a reasonable source, also by mean of being considerably larger scale. It can be acceptable to refute it when referring to Northern Ireland, but in this case valid data is required.
---
Additionally, about this:
> Most people in the hospitals for Covid are vaccinated. This is not an indictment against the vaccines, they prevent hospitalization, but the sheer number of vaccinated people still means they're the majority in the hospitals and ICUs, and the unvaccinated are a minority across the board.
This is a common mathematical mistake; see conditional probability notions.
To explain the mistake using extremes, if all the population except one was vaccinated, and one not vaccinated, hospitals would have 100% of vaccinated people, but the conclusion that because of that being vaccinated is less effective than not being vaccinated, is wrong; one needs other variables to make this conclusion.
Earlier quoted context omitted.
1. Vaccination is not a hardship. 2. Reducing R flattens the curve, and pushing it below 1.0 ends the pandemic. > vaccines have been shown to make anything else than a dent in the levels of infections Oh? https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid-19-vaccine/news/2022011... This applies to all ages, but if I had linked to an ICU with adults I'm sure you would have blamed the pattern on old people. Vaccines make a big diffe…
Vaccination can be a hardship if it causes adverse events. The long-term negative health effects of COVID infection in children are isolated to the high risk comorbidity group, including COVID induced myocarditis. Healthy kids who contract COVID do not develop myocarditis later. Meanwhile, healthy kids who get the vaccines are at a small risk of developing myocarditis with the risk being far higher than developing it…
"small" is doing a lot of work here. As a society, we are generally comfortable with mandates that contain a small amount of risk. This had better be a large value of "small."
> Among more than 2.5 million vaccinated HCO members who were 16 years of age or older, 54 cases met the criteria for myocarditis. The estimated incidence per 100,000 persons who had received at least one dose of vaccine was 2.13 cases (95% confidence interval [CI], 1.56 to 2.70). The highest incidence of myocarditis (10.69 cases per 100,000 persons; 95% CI, 6.93 to 14.46) was reported in male patients between the ages of 16 and 29 years. A total of 76% of cases of myocarditis were described as mild and 22% as intermediate; 1 case was associated with cardiogenic shock.
Oh, it isn't. It's tiny. How many thousands of people do you have to stack on the railroad before you pull the switch on the trolley problem? Not this many. Not a hardship.
Earlier quoted context omitted.
The applications specifically said that they are for prevention.
The moderna application clearly distinguishes between Covid-19 (symptomatic disease) and SARS-CoV-2 infection, as the sibling comment says. > On November 30, 2020, ModernaTX (the Sponsor, also referred to as Moderna) submitted an Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) request to FDA for an investigational COVID-19 vaccine (mRNA-1273) intended to prevent COVID-19 caused by severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (S…