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How E Ink developed full-color e-paper

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Re: How E Ink developed full-color e-paper

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Citation requested.

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I'm familiar with the GPL claims.

I'm not familiar with the telemetry claims.

I'm asking for specific references both to establish the claims and to serve as an anchor reference to anyone encountering this thread in future.

Finally, I much prefer DDG, and have used it for about a decade now.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3473250

Re: How E Ink developed full-color e-paper

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Every time an E Ink article is posted the patent defeatism is inevitable. I’m curious if there are other techniques to implement reflective(?) displays being explored that wouldn’t fall within the scope of E Ink’s defensible moat, or, if their parents are simply so broad as to stifle most hopes of accessible solutions and broader consumer/professional adoption. Frankly, I’m quite sick of straining my eyes and circadi…

> Every time an E Ink article is posted the patent defeatism is inevitable Here, we go again. I've only read that here (repeatedly!) on HN and blogs that then cited throwaway HN posts which never respond to my requests for at least some verifiable evidence. Have a look through my comment history. > that wouldn’t fall within the scope of E Ink’s defensible moat, or, if their parents are simply so broad what moat? plea…

In the 70s, the oil companies were allegedly buying patents for 100mpg carburetors and locking them up so nobody could use them. I asked my dad (Air Force) about that, and he laughed. He said the military could desperately use such technology, as supplying fuel to the military machines was a terrible logistical problem. The military would never, ever let lil' ole' patent law get in the way of that.

Re: How E Ink developed full-color e-paper

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When does the original parent run out? Will that be the end of this or are there other “process” aka bs patents coming?

> When does the original parent run out? ten years. so just after the world collapses. it's so great that we are blocking the development of vital tech /s. i mean, imagine a world without today's level of production of laptop screens/OLED TVs/LCD TVs/phone/tablet screens. all those toxic chemicals. there's so many things we don't need a flashlight being shone in our faces for, and (as someone else in this thread alre…

> capitalist firms are suffocating the earth

Communist countries are the most polluted countries in the world.

https://kafkadesk.org/2020/08/12/poland-stands-out-as-the-mo...

Re: How E Ink developed full-color e-paper

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> When does the original parent run out? ten years. so just after the world collapses. it's so great that we are blocking the development of vital tech /s. i mean, imagine a world without today's level of production of laptop screens/OLED TVs/LCD TVs/phone/tablet screens. all those toxic chemicals. there's so many things we don't need a flashlight being shone in our faces for, and (as someone else in this thread alre…

> capitalist firms are suffocating the earth Communist countries are the most polluted countries in the world. https://kafkadesk.org/2020/08/12/poland-stands-out-as-the-mo...

??? Poland isn’t a communist country.

Re: How E Ink developed full-color e-paper

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Has there been any progress on extending e ink lifespan?

What's the current lifespan? My original Kindle is still working just fine.

Depends on how things are set up with the refresh rate; subpixel rendering may have an effect IIRC. Details I don’t really understand, but e ink has a shorter lifespan than other tech.

Re: How E Ink developed full-color e-paper

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Has there been any progress on extending e ink lifespan?

That's a non-issue so far as I'm aware. The displays will last and function for years. Long enough that other components are generally long obsolete.

Obsolete, but still functional for their intended purpose. The screen will fail before the components get tin whiskers, if you use it often-ish.

E ink readers will fail later because of a very low refresh rate, but as a screen monitor it may be a poor match.

Pixel-Qi full sun display mode may be a better match for what most want.

Re: How E Ink developed full-color e-paper

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> capitalist firms are suffocating the earth Communist countries are the most polluted countries in the world. https://kafkadesk.org/2020/08/12/poland-stands-out-as-the-mo...

??? Poland isn’t a communist country.

Neither are Hungary, Czech Republic, or Slovakia. This guy is just really confused I guess

Re: How E Ink developed full-color e-paper

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> Every time an E Ink article is posted the patent defeatism is inevitable Here, we go again. I've only read that here (repeatedly!) on HN and blogs that then cited throwaway HN posts which never respond to my requests for at least some verifiable evidence. Have a look through my comment history. > that wouldn’t fall within the scope of E Ink’s defensible moat, or, if their parents are simply so broad what moat? plea…

What kind of evidence are you looking for? History of full of example of patents slowing the deployment to technology, the latest clear example is 3d Printing which really only became affordable to the home user, and abel to be hackable by people doing novel things with it after the patents expired I would assume the same thing would happen with eink

> What kind of evidence are you looking for?

Normally, the person making a claim or allegation supplies some evidence. You know like if I accused Microsoft of using patents for holding back operating system development, then you as presumably a software expert would rightly ask me for evidence. Is my point somehow unclear? Commenters on HN repeatedly make this claim and if you look at my comment history, each time I ask for evidence I get exactly your kind of reply or the link to that throwaway post (also on HN) and a blog article (that refers to that same throwaway post! infinite loop!) or best of all patents.google.com/search?q=eink . That suggests to me that these comments have no basis in evidence and the authors of the comments aren't even involved at any level of the display industry to understand what they're talking about.

> I would assume the same thing would happen with eink

Evidence?

Re: How E Ink developed full-color e-paper

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> Every time an E Ink article is posted the patent defeatism is inevitable Here, we go again. I've only read that here (repeatedly!) on HN and blogs that then cited throwaway HN posts which never respond to my requests for at least some verifiable evidence. Have a look through my comment history. > that wouldn’t fall within the scope of E Ink’s defensible moat, or, if their parents are simply so broad what moat? plea…

In the 70s, the oil companies were allegedly buying patents for 100mpg carburetors and locking them up so nobody could use them. I asked my dad (Air Force) about that, and he laughed. He said the military could desperately use such technology, as supplying fuel to the military machines was a terrible logistical problem. The military would never, ever let lil' ole' patent law get in the way of that.

I have no idea what you're trying to communicate. I reread your comment three times and I am still unsure.

Re: How E Ink developed full-color e-paper

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Wow yes, that's a downside. I found a forum post [0] where someone monitored web traffic and it was analytics data, but still not great. And the GPL violation is an abuse of the FOSS community they rely on for free development. [0] https://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=335605

Well, they come out with three new versions of their devices per month and you probably have no chance of servicing any type of warranty as they are based in China. You're not missing much if you wait for a company who can make decisions to release a better product, and you'll probably save yourself a headache.

Your country can still restrict their ability to import in your country if you sue them, afaik.
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