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Re: On Leaving Facebook

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Post by Apocryphon »

zionic wrote: post #268
russelldjimmy wrote: post #260

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It’s one thing to state your values and non-negotiables, and it’s another to seem arrogant and sanctimonious about it. To me, your comment appears to be firmly in the latter. If that truly is the case, hope you figure out what you are resentful about because, unbeknownst to you, it is alienating those who see such language. I agree with your values but I would still think twice about working with you based on the com…

> to seem arrogant and sanctimonious about it. I’m firm, firm in my belief that the people who have chosen of their own free will to work for FAANG have made moral compromises that disqualify them from my employment. I don’t get how this is “sanctimonious”. These people have made some absolutely terrible life choices, and alienation is a part of the consequence package that comes with those life choices.

Why FAANG specifically? For instance, how does Apple fail ethically, in your view, compared to the others? Are there any other companies- Microsoft, Uber, Twitter and so forth you would also have a problem with?

Re: On Leaving Facebook

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Post by Apocryphon »

vlovich123 wrote: post #455
zionic wrote: post #314

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If true, that just makes it worse in my opinion. Although maybe it’s evidence in my favor? They have to pay people that much to keep doing what they know is wrong…

Or the job is grueling and requires more time commitment/energy. Or it’s a very niche technical problem. Or the person has an outsized impact on the company in other ways like bringing prestige and making it easier to hire more people. There’s lots of reasons people get paid large sums.

Or simply tech stocks have been crazy thanks to Federal Reserve interest rate policies.

Re: On Leaving Facebook

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Post by ohforsure »

"Lots of talks and meetings, and very little progress forward" spoke to me. Just left a growth-stage tech company last week (now at a startup) for the exact reason. Was asking myself, "How many days of my life do I want to continue discussing progress vs. making it?"

Re: On Leaving Facebook

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Post by Apocryphon »

malka wrote: post #502
em500 wrote: post #323

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It's hilarious reading these anonymous hiring managers discussing how they'd hypothetically snub people like Rob Pike, Ken Thompson, Andrew Morton, James Gosling or John Carmack for lack of morals and values.

I lost A LOT of respect for Carmack the day he started working for Facebook.

To be fair, that was a classic acqui-hire.

Re: On Leaving Facebook

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Post by Apocryphon »

jakear wrote: post #559
boring_twenties wrote: post #525

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No, you cannot do all those things and more while working. You can't even get a taste, it's more akin to looking through a store window. It's not possible to fully experience a foreign country/culture in a 1 week vacation. No idea about surfing, but it's not possible to even get a sense of what skiing has to offer in a couple of weekends a year. Maybe, for a few people, it's possible to find the motivation and energy…

I’ve known too many folks dead by 30 to take advice from someone advocating for “boring_twenties”. This is the only life we’ve got. Don’t spend it bored.

It sounds like parody of roaring twenties. It’s probably a pun on the decade.

Re: On Leaving Facebook

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Post by bbananas »

cmrdporcupine wrote: post #438
fallmonkey wrote: post #94

"A common question I get is about work/life balance. And I view it a little different too now. At Facebook I could get by barely working a few hours a day. But the job was so unsatisfying that it spilled the frustration in the “life” part" This is the golden piece for me. I too recently left a big corp to a smaller place, expecting to sacrifice WLB and my free time - yet I ended up feeling happier and spending less t…

These BigCorps are hiring like mad and paying big $$ to fill seats more for the purpose of starving their competition of brains than actually using the brains they hire. The work is primarily organizational/drudgery and moves at a slow pace because of all the red tape and walls they've built around their projects in order to manage all the people. Endless incremental code reviews for small changes that get pondered f…

Are you me? Every sentence is so familiar it hurt to read. I hope you’re still writing code!

Re: On Leaving Facebook

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Post by [deleted] »

zionic wrote: post #149
kbrackbill wrote: post #77

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If you can stomach it, you should absolutely do it. Having one of the tech giants on your resume has definitely been a strong positive in my experience and you can't beat the comp.

Counterpoint: if you can avoid it keep FAANG off your resume. I’ve always made sure to hit top-tier pay and a FAANG entry on your CV is an instant disqualification.

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Re: On Leaving Facebook

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Post by Handytinge »

andrew_ wrote: post #26

I just do not understand why somebody with 20 years of experience would invest that kind of time in leetcode. just say "no" and be done with the BS, and with the kind of financial success the author has enjoyed previously, wait for the right company to come along that doesn't require it. That's the only way the industry is going to fix itself; enough people start saying no.

This seems like a very American problem, possibly a Silicon Valley specific one. Not once in my many years in this industry in multiple western countries have I heard of someone being subjigated to such a test. I had to google it to understand the article.

Re: On Leaving Facebook

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Post by bin_bash »

andrew_ wrote: post #488
patja wrote: post #481

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Because attorneys know how deep the employer's pockets are, which gives them a great incentive to pull out all the stops, which gives corp HR the incentive to make sure there is a long and painful performance management process before anyone can be fired without it exposing the company to too much risk.

This doesn't apply to right-to-work states. Nuance is required in an argument like this. For nealy half the country, "hard to fire" is bullshit FUD. It's another excuse to be lazy in interviewing and follow FAANG in lock step.

"right-to-work" means you can't be forced to join a union. It has nothing to do with this.

Re: On Leaving Facebook

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Post by skinnymuch »

zionic wrote: post #231
skinnymuch wrote: post #193

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With your remarks of you’re in control now with all the power and such. Like the other commenter said, this sounds like Coping and grand standing.

You do you brother, I’m not here to prove myself to you. Just another non existent terminal.

What? I don’t know what you wrote. However all of your attention seeking and grand standing does appear you are seeking something from others and are coping hard to have yourself believe you are not a sell out like every one else. Why you have to frame things so negatively is beyond me. I would not do so myself.

in which case it isn’t selling out. It is living life as an average person getting through life

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